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by choogue
Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:22 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Anti-Baha'i site
Replies: 22
Views: 37568

Guys, We can not make an assumption like that. As Zazaban has pointed out, he may have incorrect references therefore we will have to wait and see. It is haram to judge someone if we do not have the facts. We are not here to judge him. Only Allah can, so let us be civil. If he confirms the reference...
by choogue
Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:55 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Anti-Baha'i site
Replies: 22
Views: 37568

Ok cool. With Imrans permission, could you please either post his replies or simply email them to me. Im interested to know what his response will be. Whether its a fat chance he will remove it or not if proven wrong, atleast it would show the seekers that he has fabricated it and his promise to rem...
by choogue
Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:37 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Anti-Baha'i site
Replies: 22
Views: 37568

Excellent. Now since Imran has promised that he will remove any information on the website which is incorrect, you can present this to him. If he is true in his intention and you can provide him the proof and he cannot provide the source or the correct source, Imran should adhere to his promise. If ...
by choogue
Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:49 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Anti-Baha'i site
Replies: 22
Views: 37568

Actually no. I am not talking about Islam in a way that does not make sense here. You are jumping to conclusions. When have i mentioned that Bahai's are trying to disprove Islam??? I simply explained that Muslims have their counter arguments against "anti-Islamic" sites. RATHER the Baha'i ...
by choogue
Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:22 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Anti-Baha'i site
Replies: 22
Views: 37568

To simply resolve this we need to establish whether Imran has made up the information on his site or whether he has the sources to back him up. Imran is apparently fluent in farsi and arabic therefore someone who is also fluent in these languages should request the sources. If Imran fails to deliver...
by choogue
Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:50 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Anti-Baha'i site
Replies: 22
Views: 37568

Hey, Maybe you can point out the mistakes he has made because as a Bahai seeker i can tell you that he is actually doing more damage than good. If you can point these mistakes out then other seekers like myself can be proven Imran is spreading only lies, but at this time, no Bahai seems to challenge...
by choogue
Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:58 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Marriage
Replies: 4
Views: 14583

One other thing.....

Say if i want to marry my gf but only if she converts to Islam, will she be able to convert but remain Bahai since she doesnt remove her membership from the Bahai rolls? (will the Bahai's still accept her?)

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:51 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Marriage
Replies: 4
Views: 14583

Marriage

Hi All, Just wondering whether there has been any change in the rules regarding marriage from Islam to Bahai. For example, does it state anywhere that its forbidden to marry your cousin now? Please feel free to use references where bahaullah has made marriage with certain relatives lawful/unlawful. ...
by choogue
Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:36 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

But if a Muslim believes in the teachings of his prophet Muhammad he would come across refences to the coming of two people (namely the Bab and Bahaullah). So, he is not shunning the teachings of Islam and is believing in the prophecies foretold by Muhammad... Yes only if interpreted through the Ba...
by choogue
Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:22 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

]First, I am not sure that bringing a Muslim who has become a Baha'i into this Forum will be productive. I sense that he or she will be subjected to accusations of apostasy, and then the discussion will degenerate. For some reason I really doubt that would happen! This isnt a Muslim forum but rathe...
by choogue
Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:53 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

Thanks guys.

My gf is currently keeping an eye out for Ex-Muslims in the Bahai community in Sydney so we can have a talk with them. Hopefully there will be atleast one.

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:23 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

Thanks Brent. As im sure you could imagine, if the Bab was the Mahdi, the Bayan would be a very important book to a Muslim. The Mahdi is the one the Muslims are waiting for who will bring peace and justice to this world. Every Muslim has been taught the importance of the Mahdi and the impact He will...
by choogue
Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:19 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

Thanks.

In which thread did you post that in? I just want to go back to it and have a read.

Another thing, is the Bayan available in English? If not, will it be?

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:48 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

it has already been shown that the Bab considered Himself the Mahdi, as did Baha'u'llah. so there is no confusion as to what the Bab's station was, at least among Baha'is (and non-Baha'is) familiar with islam and the Bab's claims... Ive been following this thread and it has proved to be quite educa...
by choogue
Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:38 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

In a letter on his behalf, Shoghi Effendi wrote: "The books of the Báb have not as yet been printed in the original. Except for the Bayan, the Seven Proofs, and Commentary on the Surih of Joseph, we cannot be sure of the authenticity of most of His other works as the text has been corrupted by...
by choogue
Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:13 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
Replies: 17
Views: 33612

haha well the interesting thing about the hadiths, is none of them were even written until like 100 years after mohammad, if not later. if muslims thought that a specific hadith wasn't a true hadith, they would exclude it from collections and such, instead of putting it as "weak, strong" ...
by choogue
Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:38 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
Replies: 17
Views: 33612

kjf512, i am not baha'i, nor am i a shiah muslim lol, but clearly the hadith predicts when the qa'im will come.. mathematically it predicts the exact year the Bab came.. Which Hadith are they referring to on the site? Im assuming you are not aware of the Hadith and only relying on sources from a dif...
by choogue
Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:26 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 55679

kjf512, like baha'i warrior said earlier.. Muhammad ibn Hasan ibn Ali was the actual 12th imam that existed, but the Bab returns in the spiritual fulfillment of this imam. it is unlikely that the actual person himself would return. the "return" doesn't mean the same exact person, i.e. same...
by choogue
Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:03 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 100480

I suggest you read about His life. He was very much persecuted. BW, i think the point that Imran is actually making is the fact the verse states they will not be wronged however Bahaullah and the Bahais were "wronged". Here is Imran's post again: The verse says that "they" will ...
by choogue
Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:53 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Manifestion Explained
Replies: 21
Views: 42242

Actually, I think most Baha'is don't know about that . In fact, if you search for the topic on google, you will find a dearth of hits on the subject. Really??? Wouldnt that be an important aspect for the Bahai's to know? What is the ruling of the UHJ? Is it only Christopher Buck that makes this ass...
by choogue
Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:03 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Manifestion Explained
Replies: 21
Views: 42242

God sends the Messengers through the intermediary of Baha'u'llah. (At least that's what come to mind right now [any Baha'is following this thread, please feel free to add].)


Can other Bahais please add their thoughts on this? Thanks

Abbas
by choogue
Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:00 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
Replies: 17
Views: 33612

Thanks for your opinion BW.

I also doubt there are any Ex-Muslims. We'll just have to wait and see.......

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:05 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
Replies: 17
Views: 33612

Thought id revisit this in the chance an ex-Muslim is viewing the forum. The questions i would like answered (if possible) are: 1. As a Muslim, you would of believed in the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad(a.s) regarding the Mahdi. What made you believe the Bab was the Mahdi? 2. Since you would hav...
by choogue
Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:29 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Manifestion Explained
Replies: 21
Views: 42242

http://bahai-library.org/articles/manifestation.html
http://info.bahai.org/article-1-4-0-3.html



Thanks Zazaban. Ill have a read.

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:26 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Manifestion Explained
Replies: 21
Views: 42242

So term Manifestation is basically another word for a Prophet? Ok i just saw this.... Baha'u'llah's station is much higher than that of the previous Prophets though, since He is the Sender of the Messengers. Baha'u'llah sent Muhammad, among Others. So he is higher than a Prophet because he sent Muha...
by choogue
Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:45 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Manifestion Explained
Replies: 21
Views: 42242

Manifestion Explained

Hi All, Im hoping someone can clearly explain the meaning of "Manifestation Of God". Although this has been ( unsatisfactorily ) explained in previous posts, i would appreciate if i could receive responses from educated Bahai's such as Brett, Brent, Argos, etc (no offence intended to anyon...
by choogue
Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:19 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 100480

for all you know, the Shiites may claim that their 12th Imam was the one whom the Bab was referring to - the Bab has acknowledged Mohammed ibnil Hasan as the 12th imam at multiple places (sometimes twice in the same book). Mohammed Ibnil Hasan was in occultation even then. How do you know that Bab ...
by choogue
Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:08 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

BW, You really need to stop embarrassing yourself. You are in desperate need to prove a verse that neither Bahaullah or Prophet Muhammad or the Imams mentioned and you expect a Muslim to understand since you "clearly" have interpreted it yourself? Your only argument is the word "meeti...
by choogue
Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:19 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
Replies: 16
Views: 29781

Thankyou for your input Brent. The Avalim's authenticity has already been discussed in previous threads so unfortunately as a Muslim, i cannot refer to this Hadith. Much appreciated though. Regarding the Hadith from Al-Shia.com. I am very grateful for your understanding of the importance of Hadith f...
by choogue
Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:32 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
Replies: 16
Views: 29781

Imran and Zazaban, I am glad you two understand where i am coming from. You both place very important points and i thankyou for that. Zazaban, It's not like he's going around attacking the Baha'i Faith, most of what he says has been in response to you. Thankyou for pointing out the obvious. I apprec...
by choogue
Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:08 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

So we can assume he's talking about it but cannot be sure since it was not mentioned by him? :-? Let me tell you one thing. Acknowledging that Bahaullah has said this is suprisingly going to actually benefit me, so im hoping it is clearly shown somewhere!! No offence, but although i believe the clai...
by choogue
Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:56 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
Replies: 16
Views: 29781

:roll: Here we go again........ 1. Bahais also have sects and orginated from a covenant breaker sect known as the Shaykhi. 2. The Infallible Prophet Muhammad(a.s) and the Ahlulbayt(a.s) were the interpreters of the Quran. The Authentic Hadith is now well known and no further interpretations required...
by choogue
Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:25 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Thanks for the quote BW, however this is the quote where Bahaullah mentions about the seal of the prophets. I was hoping to get a quote where Bahaullah talks about verse 33:44 and his interpretation as a coming Manifestation. I remember you mentioned that the interpretation stated in the Iqan is mor...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:51 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
Replies: 16
Views: 29781

Hi Loren, First of all, thanks for your opnion. Given this construct, it is illogical for the inner sphere to make bold and limiting ‎assertions about the outer ring which encompasses it, given the fact that its knowledge is ‎limited only to the properties with in it, (and the limited po...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:50 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Yeh thats cool. Finally, i once again agree with what you said.....to a certain extent. No point debating on ones personal opinion. Its all good. Anyway, as previously requested, could you please provide me with the quote from Bahaullah where he mentions that "Him" means "manifestatio...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:55 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 100480

Hey BW,

From what i understand, i think Golha was asking where the Bab said Bahaullahs word are more important or where Bahaullah said it?

Correct me if im wrong Golha.

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:48 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

One of the proofs of the Baha'i Revelation is the fact that some of the leading scholars and clergymen of Islam became Baha'is. You read the Iqan, so you should rember this, but Baha'u'llah actually lists some of the prominent Shi'a scholars who became Baha'is. Off hand right now, I can think of Va...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:20 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

Abbas, I'm sorry if you felt I was arguing with you, but I don't think I was. No problems. I forgive you. :smile: There are undoubtably Persians in her community who could point her to the Writings in Farsi, if she can't read English. She also likely has the books in her house (if she doesn't then ...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:17 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

You don't represent all Muslims Abbas, trust me, and you certainly don't represent "Muslim logic." There are so many Shi'a schools of thought that each one thinks the other is a "covenant breaker" to use your words. Since you can't see God, the verse (33:44) can only mean God's ...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:38 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

Thanks Brett. Your responses are always informative. Much appreciated. Just one thing, is it the below quote thats from the "Dispensation of Bahuallah?" Was Bahaullah the Author of it? That `Abdu'l-Bahá is not a Manifestation of God, that, though the successor of His Father, He does not oc...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:31 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

We wouldn't need Expounders, or Interpreters, if everything Baha'u'llah said was absolutely clear to the reader. I refer you again, also, to this quote by Baha'u'llah which will compliment the one above: I was just asking you whether: "We shrink, for very shame, from treating the subject of bo...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:15 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

You got to take it easy on those emoticons there, Abbas. Hey i should huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: No, I never said the words "seeing" and "meeting" mean the same thing. Ok finally. I now know they dont mean the same thing. So, meeting can mean to see someone and also can mean not to ...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:32 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

From Kitab-i-Aqdas: "C. Laws of Personal Status 1. Marriage: a. Marriage is highly recommended but not obligatory. b. Plurality of wives is forbidden." What you quoted, is that written by Bahaullah or Abdul Baha? That's news to me. Eating meat is not forbidden, though 'Abdu'l-Baha says th...
by choogue
Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:09 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

:roll: *sigh*....... I cant believe your still going on about it. If it makes you happy, i wont present anymore arguments proving that "seeing" has a different meaning than "meeting". :roll: Geez........From now on "seeing" has the same meaning as "meeting". S...
by choogue
Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:33 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 100480

Why haven't many of the books of the Bab been translated into English? the selected writings of the Bab is only 275 pages,while only the persian Bayan is more than 300 pages. Thats a very interesting question. Never actually thought of that before. 2.The word " bab" literally means "...
by choogue
Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:21 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

Ok. These are the some of the reasons why my gf believes Abdul Baha was a prophet. 1. Apparently Bahaullah allowed the marriage of two wives, however abdul baha abrogated that law and said marry only one. 2. Apparently Bahaullah has said that we should be eating meat, but Abdul Baha said that meat i...
by choogue
Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:01 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

People, please be nice, don't make me lock this too. No making fun of people or their english skills.


OK. No more. :D

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:46 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: general questions about the prophets
Replies: 14
Views: 25244

We are told to avoid covenant breaker websites, or websites from enemies of the Baha'i Faith


Would anyone that attempts to prove the Bahai Faith wrong considered an enemy?

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:33 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Abbas, no offense, but is English your second language or something? This is coming from someone who thinks "seeing" and "meeting" is the SAME THING??? HAHHAHA :roll: Ask anyone on the street if "Meet you on Wednesday" or "See you on Wednesday" is equally val...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:16 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Thankyou Imran.

You are right. This topic has diverted and we should focus on Zazaban's question regarding the Seal of the Prophet.

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:26 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Oh, so maybe you can tell me if we will be calling Him with Verison Wireless? Is Version Wireless mentioned in the Qur'an...I guess I missed it somewhere? Hmmm....nah i doubt it. :lol: Abbas, do you tell your friend "See you Wednesday" or "Meet you Wednesday" or can you say both...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:09 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Zazaban,

Again, sorry for hijacking your thread, but im also interested in why the Seal of The Prophets is a major roadblock for you if your not a Muslim?

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:07 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

Hmmm...maybe you need to become a Baha'i and teach your girlfriend about the faith? Well, you can still do it now. He definitely wasn't a Prophet, though we also shouldn't underestimate His station. hahaha, yeh i know huh! But its cool. I dont need to become a Bahai to teach her though. Ive asked h...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:04 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

You have to see God to tell Him "Peace." Do you say, "Peace, bro" to your friend, except that he is in Alaska and you're in front of your television? Nah man, ofcourse not. :lol: Actually unless he is on the phone, i guess you can say "Peace Bro" or anything else you l...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:52 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Sorry Zazaban, It appears we have hijacked your thread.

Would you like us to stop?

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:50 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

An infallible interpreter. Ok cool. No He didn't. And also, He never did that. If you think you found somewhere where the Master changes any of His Father's Laws, please show me and I'll try to clarify it for you. I havent seen anything but my gf was explaining that Abdul was also a prophet which i...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:47 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

That's hardly the attitude to take to arrive at the truth. Exactly what i think! :smile: People just take things how they want which is why so many people can arrive at different conclusions. Thats not the attidude to take. Absolutely agree. Yes it does. You can't see God. It has to then mean God's...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:33 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Abdul Baha
Replies: 16
Views: 27789

Abdul Baha

Hi All,

Quick question.

Would Abdul Baha be classed as a prophet or just an interpreter? No references please. Just a simple answer would do.

I just want to know whether Abdul Baha had the right to change any laws his father placed.

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:26 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Qur'an: "Their greeting on the day when they shall meet Him shall be "Peace!" And He hath got ready for them a noble recompense." = Concept of Manifestation of God. I've already explained it before. Check out http://bahai-library.com/books/symbol.secret/4.html pp. 195–6. Yeh, &q...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:21 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Actually, I have shown how the concept of "a manifestation of God" is introduced in the Qur'an. But I said was that the term "Manifestation of God" was introduced by Baha'is. Hmmm....cant remember anything like that. But anyway, as you said, the Prophet Muhammad(a.s) is not ment...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:19 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Yeah, kind of like the concept of 'centripetal force' was introduced sometime after third grade.


Hahaha....Yeh. So true. Great example. ;)

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:14 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

BW, I know what you said. Im just trying to clarify whether it is mentioned in the Quran or it was just a Bahai concept. Dont be quick to jump to conclusions. :smile: This isn't in the Qur'an either, and I again, I didn't say it was. You might want to re-read what I posted more carefully. You will b...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:59 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Thanks BW. Could you please provide a reference for the readers where the Prophet Muhammad is described as the Manifestation of God in the Quran? Im hoping if i read it from the Quran, i would get a better understanding of the whole Manifestation concept. Also, the Prophet Muhammad(a.s) was the fina...
by choogue
Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:16 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 92827

Well from the previous posts, i think the Bahais believe that the Prophet Muhammad(a.s.) was the seal of the Prophets and Messengers, however he wasnt the seal of the "Manifestation of God".

BW, correct me if im wrong. :)

Regards
Abbas
by choogue
Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:35 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Replies: 32
Views: 52935

Oh by the way. An interesting link from the Bahai library: http://bahai-library.com/index.php5?file=lawson_quran_commentary_bab.html&chapter=2 As mentioned, some of the immediate influences on the Bab come from the Shaykhí synthesis of several different types of Islamicate theosophical expressio...
by choogue
Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:09 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Replies: 32
Views: 52935

Hmm... 623 - Battle of Waddan 623 - Battle of Safwan 623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir 624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement. 624 - Zakat becomes mandatory 624 - Battle of Badr 624 - Battle of Bani Salim 624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr 624 - Battle of Bani Q...
by choogue
Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:03 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Replies: 32
Views: 52935

That's your opinion. (See paragraph number five.) I said one SHIA Hadith. (See below) Again, according to you. According to anyone who requires proof from a SHIA source. The sermons of Imam Ali are easy to find, especially on the net, as are the other hadith I have shown you. If you don't agree, gr...
by choogue
Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:58 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Replies: 32
Views: 52935

I have been watching this disscussion, and some of the exchanges have been bordering on attacks. Not really sure what to call it really. Please try to be respectful of people's belief systems, however they justify it. Accusing somebody of picking and chosing does not strike me as respectful. Bt tha...
by choogue
Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:54 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Replies: 32
Views: 52935

You are trying to find flaws with every single hadith I show you because they challenge your beliefs, and you apparently cannot handle that. No BW. Im not trying to find flaws, you are providing me with flawed information. All i have simply asked is for you to provide ONE Shia Hadith from a Muslim ...
by choogue
Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:14 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Replies: 32
Views: 52935

have already provided the hadith. I maintain that they are good enough, and there is no reason for me to find more hadith. I suggest you reflect on the ones already posted, and read Baha'u'llah's Books with an open-mind—that is, clear your mind of anything that will impede you from recognizing God'...

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