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by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:29 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 58543

Muhammad al-Mahdi According to Twelver Shi'as Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (or Muhammad ibn Hasan ibn Ali) is the twelfth Imam and the Mahdi, the ultimate savior of mankind. Other Shi'a schools adhere to different Imam successions and do not, along with Sunnis, consider Muhammad the Mahdi. Twelver Shi'as...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:10 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 58543

Muhammad ibn Hasan ibn Ali was the actual 12th imam that existed, but the Bab returns in the spiritual fulfillment of this imam. it is unlikely that the actual person himself would return. the "return" doesn't mean the same exact person, i.e. same body, same name, etc. even the bible says...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:57 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Argos wrote:The Bab did refer himself as the Mahdi, maybe not countless times, but did Muhammad refer himself as the Seal of the Prophets countless times?


The discussion is about the Bab. Lets not digress please. We can take up the issue of the Holy Prophet in another thread.
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:50 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 58543

ill have to take a look at closer look at that, but that's beside the point—the plain fact is that the Bab referred to Himself countless times as the Mahdi, or Qa'im, as i have shown with several quotes, so there is no doubt whatsoever that He designated Himself this station. or would you like all ...
by uwoHXaCnf
Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:52 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: general questions about the prophets
Replies: 14
Views: 26818

We are told to avoid covenant breaker websites, or websites from enemies of the Baha'i Faith (just to warn you, there are some users on this forum who have links on their profiles to anti-Baha'i websites, though usually they are sometimes well-disguised). Of course, you are told to avoid covenant b...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:29 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Qa'im
Replies: 30
Views: 58543

Some of the Bab's Writings have been changed, but there is more than enough of His Writings that we know are authentic. Here it is: http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/index/albab.htm . If you can't read the language then I suggest learning Arabic (or Persian), until this stuff is translated. Again, our pr...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:39 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

You say that it is a "better" translation - on what grounds? You seem to be missing the point that we do not rely on our personal judgements on the Quran. We rely on the interpretation provided by the Prophet and the Imams to understand the Word of Allah. Doesn't matter, when looking at e...
by uwoHXaCnf
Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:22 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

I think he might be misunderstanding the verse. Humans are judged, not God's infallible Agents (Prophets, Messengers, etc.). Here's a better translation: Mohsin Khan translation (39:69): "And the earth will shine with the light of its Lord (Allah, when He will come to judge among men) and the ...
by uwoHXaCnf
Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:21 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Secondly, you did not respond to all my points. Especially about the one wherein no person will be misjudged or wronged. Bahais make bahaullah as a martyr - he apparently was wronged. So obviously even if I take your version of the interpretation of the verse, it does not fit Bahaullah. I suggest y...
by uwoHXaCnf
Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:50 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

1. No person's scroll of deeds, least of all mine and yours has been opened. Not as yet atleast. Aren't the deeds of those who oppose Baha'u'llah clearely manifest to us all? In this life, we are judged, and in the next life, we will be Judged— Not at all. I dont think so. Nobody's deeds are manife...
by uwoHXaCnf
Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:18 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Argos wrote: Quote: 4. Apart from your own personal judgement about accepting Bahaullah, there is no other proof for Bahaullah to be One Whom Allah will Manifest. "WHEN the Day-Star of Bahá will shine resplendent above the horizon of eternity it is incumbent upon you to present yourselves befor...
by uwoHXaCnf
Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:27 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

But the Sunnis say your Shi'a hadith are false, fabricated, etc. (like Shi'as say about Sunni hadith), so 85% of Muslims have reason (whether good or bad) to disbelieve in the Imams. In that same spirit of denial, had the Bab told Joe or Mike that Baha'u'llah would be the Promised One, and had it b...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:36 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Whether 15% or the entire Muslim population accepted Imam Ali or not is not the question under consideration. Lets assume that nobody accepted Imam Ali - yet there are convservatively more than 2,000 traditions (this is a very very conservative number) on the prophet's declaration of the succesorsh...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:31 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Whether 15% or the entire Muslim population accepted Imam Ali or not is not the question under consideration. Lets assume that nobody accepted Imam Ali - yet there are convservatively more than 2,000 traditions (this is a very very conservative number) on the prophet's declaration of the succesorsh...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:01 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
Replies: 16
Views: 31492

Baha'u'llah quotes from Shiah traditions about a new Revelation in the Book of Certitude: In the "Avalim," an authoritative and well-known book, it is recorded: "A Youth from Bani-Hashim shall be made manifest, Who will reveal a new Book and promulgate a new law;" then follow th...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:08 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Also, iamimranshaykh, you say: "The Holy Prophet of Islam when he wanted to announce the successorship of Imam Ali - he said very clearly - this Ali. He did not talk in circles." Do you have any proof of this? Only a few people heard Him announcing this successorship. It it were clear who...
by uwoHXaCnf
Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:57 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The claim to finality
Replies: 3
Views: 11293

The claim to finality over the word seal is often used various religious groups. Some Christians claim that no revelation will come after Jesus. "Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Fa...
by uwoHXaCnf
Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:31 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Someone else asked how the Baha'u'llah could be "Him Whom God will make Manifest" mentioned by the Bab and I provided possible connections. Noted. I dont want to digress from the original point about the Bab being the Qaem or the Mahdi and the proofs for the same. Any reason that you can ...
by uwoHXaCnf
Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:49 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Him Whom God shall make Manifest is Baha'u'llah. "Praise be unto Him Who at this very moment perceiveth in this remote prison the goal of My desire. He is the One Who beareth witness unto Me at all times and beholdeth Me ere the inception of ‘after Hin’**." -The Bab (SWB 217) **The numeri...
by uwoHXaCnf
Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:43 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Pardon the harshness, but there are sufficient books of the Bab available i their source languages which contradict the basic premise of the Bahai Faith - tafseere' Surah Kausar, Qayyamul Asma, Dalaelus Sabah, Sahifae' Adaliyah, Bayan etc. I could go on and on. Are all these books corrupted? Would ...
by uwoHXaCnf
Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:05 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

Thank you for your interpretation of the Bab's actions. We really dont have the Bab saying what you have just interpreted. On the other hand, all we have is a series of claims followed by a series of denials. Well, I quoted from a source. What kind of source do you want? Do you expect us to find a ...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:54 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 98280

Friends, huwa is just a pronoun! It could refer to Allah, a man, or even a camel. In the verse of the Qur'an mentioned, there is no argument that can be made grammatically or from the context alone, which proves whether or not it refers to a Manifestation or to Allah. On the other hand, Abbas' laun...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:15 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

The Bab was the Forerunner of Baha'u'llah, much like how John the Baptist announced was the coming of Christ. His mission was to get people ready for Baha'u'llah. Most of His laws were very specific. For example one of the Bab's Laws was that you can't eat garlic or onions so that your breath doesn...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:37 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
Replies: 48
Views: 105509

The Bab progressively revealed His status. At first when people understood Him to be the gate of the Imam (as those four gates had done for the Holy Imam in an earlier age), He perhaps didn't correct them. But when He was challenged about it, He stated that He wasn't such a (mere) gate. The others ...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:14 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
Replies: 16
Views: 31492

Re: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!

I have been following many discussions here with some interest, but because I have been ‎so busy with school, I have been unable to participate. Also, many of the debates I have ‎read are too difficult for me to get into, because I feel that they contain some foundational problems which...
by uwoHXaCnf
Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:13 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 98280

C'mon BW, glad you've let off some steam. Abbas has already mentioned that the topic was diverted. Now lets talk about the interpretation of the seal of the prophets.

Regards
Imran
by uwoHXaCnf
Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:53 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
Replies: 60
Views: 98280

this is my first post here on this topic and comes after reading all the other posts. I am not going to enter the discussion (which I believe has been diverted to some extent) of seeing and meeting God on the Day of Judgement. Rather I will stick to the point about Prophet Mohammed being the seal of...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:44 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Guru Nanak?
Replies: 45
Views: 70270

I posted that thinking you would be interested in any connections not as an authoritative interpretation. Certian Bahais like to use proofs relating to dates and such because it it can be a strong point made when arguing for validity of Faith. As I mentioned earlier, when it has no standing in Isla...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:27 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: I need the source for a tradition Baha'u'llah quotes..
Replies: 14
Views: 28766

Abjad is a man made concept and has no relation in islam. We never found the Holy Prophet (pbuh) referring to Abjad in his traditions. Also if these were such a proof for the Bab, why did he not mention it. Why are the Bahais investing it now? Even Bahaullah did not refer to these as a proof for the...
by uwoHXaCnf
Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:24 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: I need the source for a tradition Baha'u'llah quotes..
Replies: 14
Views: 28766

Dear Muhammad Noor Islam, From a Google search, "Youth from Bani-Hashim" turned up the following details: It is apparently in the ""Avalim," an authoritative and well-known book", apparently from the Holy Imám Sádiq. A similar quote, apparently in the "Arba'in&quo...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:27 pm
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Guru Nanak?
Replies: 45
Views: 70270

http://bahai-library.com/?file=cameron_disconnected_letters_nineteen This is the problem when you have Western writers who have no clue about Islam and significance of its elements writing and commenting upon it. Read this - it came from the article link you sent... "It is recorded in the hadith th...
by uwoHXaCnf
Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:33 am
Forum: Discussion
Topic: Guru Nanak?
Replies: 45
Views: 70270

Re: Semi hidden messages

Dear Zabadan, no problemo. If a person ever feels driven (controlled) by his inner emotions, if he meditates on valley one and two, this sort of pain should move away easyly. The Bab was born on the first day of the year 1235hg. In the reality, 1235 years have passed and this first day is the first...

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