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Keyvan

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if you read Stories of Baha'u'llah, Baha'u'llah refers to Abdu'l Baha as The Most Mighty Branch consistantly, as though He has no other name

Keyvan

Majnun, please stop contradicting the will of the Guardian Shoghi Effendi wishes me to express his deepfelt appreciation of your intention to study the Qur'án. The knowledge of the revealed holy Book is, indeed, indispensable to every Bahá'í who wishes to adequately understand the Writings of Bahá'u...

Keyvan

keyvan, I'm not a bahai as my username suggests and not a westerner either. I am a rational person trying to understand what went on with the Bahai International Court. I am under the impression that independent investigation of truth is encouraged. I hope that asking questions especially by seeker...

Keyvan

there are untranslated writings. and i think the UHJ had to be established before any "authoritative translations" could be made. thus they had to paraphrase. if you like, you should contact the research department at the BWC and they will provide the words of the Guardian why do western bahais not ...

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yeah. to reiterate, we can find many meanings, sure, but i believe the big one, that "seal of the Prophets" in and of itself closes off Prophets(nabi) and not Messengers(rasul). Rasul = Messengers = Greater Order of Prophets The independent Prophets are the lawgivers and the founders of a new cycle....

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35 CATASTROPHE (The Apocalyptic Upheaval) "We have no indication of exactly what nature the apocalyptic upheaval will be; it might be another war ... but as students of our Bahá'í Writings, it is clear that the longer the 'Divine Physician' (i.e. Bahá'u'lláh) is withheld from healing the ills of 13...

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when you say there is a difference between NABI(prophet) and RASUL(messenger) Muslims will say, oh but every Rasul is a Nabi, but not every Nabi is a Rasul that is easily disproven because there are a few Prophets that are refered to as RASUL but never referred to as NABI Saleh and Hud are good exam...

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it depends on the person. theres no general way. of course, that is why our critics tend to say that bahais never give them a straight answer sa to our beliefs....because theres no mechanised response such as: "we believe Jesus is the Son of God and He died for our sins" or "we believe there is no G...

Keyvan

Dearest Keyvan, You wrote: the POINT of this Dispensation IS the Administrative Order. its not just some machine to fight against. one in which you can pick and choose if you like or not. Where in the Writings of Baha'u'llah does He say that the point of His Dispensation is Administrative Order? Wi...

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guest, why is it you never address what I WROTE. do you understand the roots of the faith and the prophecy of it?

Keyvan

well you have to understand what happened between 1957-1963 Shoghi Effendi left no heir after his passing in 1957. so there was a time clock on continuing Divine Ordianances. that is, He left us His directives running through until 1963 after that point wed be all out of Divine Ordainances and the c...

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by the way Mr. Evanson, i read articles from your site, and i have two things to say one, keep up the good work with the mormon thing. i wish there were more people like you out there in Utah. try to plan a seminar at BYU or something also i read "Your story as a Bahai" and i understand part of what...

Keyvan

this is hopeless. heres the way i see it. and this isnt just about the Current Dispensation but religion in general religions are given Administrative Orders, all of them, and they vary in degrees. my stool knows enough about the Prophecy of this Dispensation enough so to know that the weight on the...

Keyvan

that is what is written IN ADDITION to that GRAND STATEMENT which i quoted. its not one or the other, it' s both. youve proved nothing in addition. do you not believe in the Imamate? thats the paradigm predicating the self-proclaimed station of The Bab if you believe in the Imamate, how can you try ...

Keyvan

see what you are doing is trying to specify their role. there was no further specification in said Tablet. thus it must be in general. that is why the Administrative Order followed with Baha'u'llah appointing the Interperetor and His successive Interperator, to whom we know of this infallibility. yo...

Keyvan

listen i know its very hard for someone of the western background who just takes the writings and makes whatever they want out of them to understand this, but its very clear as this is the purpose of Imam Mahdi. what do you think the Kingdom of God on Earth is all about. writings? ok read the Aqdas....

Keyvan

first of all the Hands of the Cause of God under those 6 years were acting under the ordainances of the Guardian which lasted until 1963. had they acted independently beyond then, then it may be fuzzy. but it didnt happen for the Hands of the Cause speak not except by His leave and only in Accordanc...

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Independent Investigation of Truth in terms of investigation of the validity of the faith, comes BEFORE one becomes a Baha'i. when you BECOME one, that is, you officiall enroll, you are thus committing that you adhere to the Administrative Order as is, that it is Divinely Ordained. to question would...

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FIRST OF ALL, you cant look to Hindu, Zoroastrian(yet), or Buddhist "writings" with anything near the same view. Their scriptures have been corrupted. The Bab, Baha'u'llah, and Baha'u'llah have NEVER quoted these; only The Quran and the True Verses of The Bible a Manifestation is only turned to AS S...

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[personal attack deleted by moderator] sarah if you are a student of comparitive religion which you claim to be, why is it that you are not reading what we recommended. you thought the Aqdas is the Bahai equivlent to the Quran. but thats not true. we have many many many books. The Aqdas is just the ...

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see, this is another reason why i say islam must be studied by western bahais first

hey Guest, you do realize that the stuff you are saying is the same thing the caliphs said about Imam Ali, right?

Keyvan

btw the posts i refer to in the thread that was closed, are not the ones that you have already responded to on that thread, rather they are the posts that you completely skipped over after you saw that the post after mine, (jonah's) closing the thread. before the thread was closed i gave you a compr...

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Sarah, please read the posts i sent you in the thread that was closed, and in the ones just above in this current forum.

i have answered your questions in full, so please stop asking them and just respond to what youve seen. its getting to be a bit of an annoyance

thank you.

Keyvan

and one more thing, if you want to know about the Bahai claim, it is NOT, i repeat NOT to be found in The Kitab-i-Aqdas we have MULTIPLE books. Aqdas is the book of LAWS, thats it. what you are looking for is the Kitab-i-Iqan. the Iqan was written by Baha'u'llah in response to critical questions ask...

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90% of the writings are left untranslated, so if its not right out there, dont think it doesnt exist

btw, when Abdu'l Baha appointed Shoghi Effendi to Guardianship, how do you know He was speaking of the one we think of?
how do we know for sure that its the same guy?
hmmmmmmm?

Keyvan

Sarah, i believe I answered your questions in full on the previous thread right before it was closed. i presented you with a comparative display of laws from the Aqdas. Shia hadiths? No! it is in the Qur'an. it is in 11:120. All the proof you need is right there. another Rasul will come. it gives yo...

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This is from a book called Synopsis and Codification of the Kitab-i-Aqdas SYNOPSIS AND CODIFICATION I. THE APPOINTMENT OF 'ABDU'L-BAHÁ AS THE SUCCESSOR OF BAHÁ'U'LLÁH AND INTERPRETER OF HIS TEACHINGS A. The faithful are enjoined to turn their faces towards the One " Whom God hath purposed, Who hath ...

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ok. the reason why some laws were Abrogated, etc, etc, is for a few reasons 1) this is a NEW Dispensation, for a new era, thus new laws apply. that which is in the Quran was never meant eternally, but rather until the Day of Resurrection, which we believe has come 2) the specific purpose of these la...

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i think playing around with dates are pretty fascinating myself world congress 1 1963 100 years after the Declaration of Baha'u'llah then 29 years later world congress 2 1992 100 years after the Ascention of Baha'u'llah then 29 years later world congress 3 2021 100 years after the Ascention of Abdu'...

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Sarah, i have answered your questions in my first post. please refer to it. i am familiar and have read of Ahmadi Muslims. i even have a book on it. we do not believe in restorative Prophets of Islam. khattam-al-nabawwan refers to lesser prophets. khattam means khattam and nabawwaan means nabawwan ....

Keyvan

Sarah, why do you insist these words of "better" that a law is "better"

these terms are irrelevent, as the books are from the same source.

no there is no better or worse, therefore such an answer to that biased question does not exist.

Keyvan

it doesnt matter. to say that would be a remark on the religion, and not just an interperetation. clearly no muslim would agree with that since they consider that not to be islam. but if it is their own islam that the Bahai faith is responding to than that would make a weak arguement. only 10% of Mu...

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“Shoghi Effendi wishes me also to express his deep-felt appreciation of your intention to study the Qur'án. The knowledge of this revealed holy Book is, indeed, indispensable to every Bahá'í who wishes to adequately understand the writings of Bahá'u'lláh . And in view of that the Guardian has been i...

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warrior, i dont think hes trying to dispute it, but rather just find the reference. like in mathematics, you need proofs for everything. i can think of a few reasons. one, 90% of the writings are untranslated, so perhaps Baha'u'llah names off His children in accordance to their titles in another Tab...

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well i just want to add on something. yes on the news we see things, but of course this is not the correct interperetation of Islam, so it is not wise to generalize. Although, we can see these misinterperetations and divisions as an example of the need of religious renewal and progressive revelation...

Keyvan

“Shoghi Effendi wishes me also to express his deep-felt appreciation of your intention to study the Qur'án. The knowledge of this revealed holy Book is, indeed, indispensable to every Bahá'í who wishes to adequately understand the writings of Bahá'u'lláh. And in view of that the Guardian has been i...

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Darrick Evanson

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