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Keyvan

Now that the election is over, I think we've arrived at a a non-objectionable time to start a discussion on this issue. I've been thinking a great deal about what role the Obama Administration can have in influencing the human rights status of Baha'i's, specifically in Iran. I feel that Obama must a...

Keyvan

the short answer is no. The National and Local Assemblies will eventually evolve into Houses of Justice when the Universal House of Justice says so. Its a very momentous step when that happens and I don't see any conceivable reason why the jurisdiction to do so would be anywhere outside the authorit...

Keyvan

Baha'u'llah says in Kitab-i-Aqdas that there will be no messenger after Him. But in the following one thousand years. I think it is related to the question of Abu Talib. So, if you see the perpetual mechanism of sending guidance from God through Apostles-Messengers then all those moments of the sea...

Keyvan

In Islam, if the Mahdi will reign until the Day of Judgement then how can the Day of Judgement herald the Mahdi? As well, can someone interpret this Hadith for me? "O Ali, you are to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that there is no prophet after me." In Islam they believe that the Mahdi ...

Keyvan

Here is a passage from the Persian Bayan as translated by Dr. Denis MacEoin http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/trans/bayan/bay2-7.htm The Seventh Gate of the Second Unity Concerning the explanation of the Day of Resurrection. The substance of this chapter is that the meaning of 'the Day of Resurrection' is...

Keyvan

Heres a quote: Lawh-i-Hasan-i-Sháhábadí Provisional translation of a Tablet of His holiness Bahá’u’lláh revealed by the Supreme Pen in the ’Akká period addressed to a certain Hasan living in Sháhábad of Arak in central Irán: He shineth from the Horizon of the Heaven of true Knowledge with Wisdom and...

Keyvan

Hi, Are you the same Ibn Abu Talib who posts on the Theology Web? No I am not. Ibn Abu Talib means "son of Abu Talib", and my name is Abu Talib "father of Talib". But anyway, how can every manifestation be the same when two or more of them can exist at one time? While The Bab an...

Keyvan

The Bab = Imam Mahdi = Return of the 12th Imam

Baha'u'llah = Spiritual "Return" of "Christ" = Return of Imam Hussein = He Whom God Shall Make Manifest

Keyvan

Read this

http://bahai-library.com/file.php5?file ... &language=

Keyvan

Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets and Messengers until the Day of Resurrection. The difference is that Baha'i's believe the Day of Resurrection is the coming of a new Messenger - The Bab. The Bab (Imam Mahdi) was the prelude to the coming of Baha'u'llah ('return' of 'Christ')

Keyvan

thats weird. is it still not working for you?

Keyvan

heres a good forum devoted to this discussion

http://groups.myspace.com/bahaichristiandialogue

Keyvan

Yeah his insults are about the level of a fourth graders - he'll just curse you off and question your sexuality if you disagree with him. I want to add another thing. He's also become very openly racist. He talks down to those that are not Iranian and has this fanatic sense that all things western a...

Keyvan

Well Nima Hazini's story as I have pieced it together is like this, He was originally a Baha'i. Then he had issue with being obedient to the institutions of Guardianship and the Universal House of Justice. In web forums from the 90's he would talk about how he felt maybe the Will and Testament of Ab...

Keyvan

Nima Hazini is notorious for manufacturing conspiracy theories. He wakes up every morning and thinks up how he can go online to Baha'i message boards and spread lies to cause chaos. Seriously he floods message boards with conspiracy theories against the Baha'i Faith that have no documentation backi...

Keyvan

i can understand the puzzlement. the underlying concept here is that there are certain laws that have been applied in Iran as the faith has been a large developed community there more than any other antion, and not yet in the west. Huquq'u'llah for one thing wasn't applied universally until the 90's...

Keyvan

I personally think it is wrong to generalize any group of people as being good, or being bad. It does disservice to the individual of any group in society. I don't think this sermon is very new. A Persian Baha'i played me a sermon just like this over two years ago, and translated it for me while it...

Keyvan

I asked once when on pilgrimage and was told that as far as they knew there was no sound recording of the voice of Shoghi Effendi. There are. I know someone who worked in the Audio/Visual department when he was on service in Haifa. There are recorded speeches and sermons of Shoghi Effendi. He would...

Keyvan

Thanks Brett, I agree totally. I think its being discussed to much, as discussion f them and their claims gives them the attention they want.. I think as a historical discussion its fine, but when we go in and discuss their claims and refute them it just gives them what they want. It makes their cla...

Keyvan

Keyvan, it's been a while since I've looked at the site, but while we certainly cannot endorse Joseph Smith as a prophet, the Universal House of Justice, in a letter on its behalf, wrote that while he was not a "prophet, minor or otherwise", he was a "religious teacher sensitive to t...

Keyvan

Greetings! A supplementary source might be: http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled I do not like this site. We need to stop linking people to it. The creator has a deranged belief that Mormonism is some sort of preface to the Baha'i Faith and wants to prove it as such through his site. He bases this...

Keyvan

yeah once that guy or one of their previous leaders said that half the population would be whiped out in a nuclear war that would occur in 1980. this hurt even OUR image because the public started thinking "ohh a Baha'i says nuclear war is coming" now of course it didn't happen, and im sur...

Keyvan

you know i always find it interesting how all of these splinter groups have been so fanatical about the "catastrophic events" that Shoghi Effendi referred to, whereas actual Baha'i's do not. i mean i can understand how in desperation for attention they NEED to do it to turn peoples heads, ...

Keyvan

Here's an interesting article on the matter Mason Remey and Joel Bray Marangella Chad Jones October 26 2001 Mason Remey was a great lion of the Covenant before his ego outpaced him. Which makes the story of his tragic fall all the more chilling and reminds us of our duty to "avoid fellowship wi...

Keyvan

I asked Dr. Rabbani and here is the reply that I got. Dear Keyvan, I don't particularly know. But I'm nearly certain the passage you quote is from Ishraq-Khavari, Ganjinih Hudud va Ahkam, pp. 338-339. The key words in that passage are, zina, lavat and khianarr, which have been rendered as adultery, ...

Keyvan

So are we sure that Khiaanat is the word used in the Tablet that was translated to "Lechery?" not Sihaqah or Fesq? If thats true then regardless of anything that would be a serious translation error that was released in that letter... 8-[ I would think that "Treachery" wouldn't f...

Keyvan

AdibM wrote: NOT lechery (Sihaqah)

Wait, you are saying Sihaqah translates to lechery now?

Keyvan

The problem with the Remey followers is that they by and large did not understand Persian or Arabic, especially not Remey himself, nor his inner circle. (I will get to why that is relevant momentarily). The generation of his following developed largely as a sort of an ethnic reactionary sentiment in...

Keyvan

Hi Sen, Thanks for your input =D> Should not the UHJ be informed about this fake site? Regards, Ahsan They know. There are a lot of groups out there attempting to create splinter faiths doing the same thing. They are small groups of people and ever dwindling to almost non existance. Names like &quo;...

Keyvan

Oh no, my question is not what Sihaq means. Some websites I looked at already confirmed that. My question is does that aforementioned Tablet actually say "sihaq?" I ask this because all I have is the English translation, which has been translated to "lechery" (which is broad). Th...

Keyvan

Dear Bahai Friends, I have come to know about Jamshed Maani who was a dynamic Bahai Missionary to Indonesia and later claimed to be another menifestation of God. His religion is AL-INSAAN. Is there any Bahai member here having knowledge about this person? Plz share. Regards, Ahsan Yeah, he died in ...

Keyvan

plz check the 3rd Last Paragraph here http://bahaifaction.sosblog.com/The-first-blog-b1/Year2007-b1-m2007005.htm What this fails to mention is that ALL of those splinter organizations have DIED or are DIEING. No one has every made a significant sect of the Baha'i Faith that has not fallen apart ove...

Keyvan

So basically I remember reading a long time ago in a Baha'i forum (or several) that in a Tablet from Baha'u'llah where it is said, "Ye are forbidden to commit adultery, sodomy and lechery. Avoid them, O concourse of the faithful." translated in a letter from the Universal House of Justice,...

Keyvan

Aha! I was looking for a document like this.

Thanks

Keyvan

Often when discussing "hot button" issues of Baha'i laws, I find myself constantly trying to explain that the Baha'i laws are only for Baha'i's. This is clear from the first paragraph of the Aqdas. That is, that given the inseparable twin duties, one cannot be following the laws without ac...

Keyvan

Dear Keyvan, There are a number of articles on the Baha'i Faith and Mormonism which you should read (two in World Order and one in the Journal of Baha'i Studies). In them, you will see that a pilgrim reported that Shoghi Effendi called Joseph Smith a "seer" (which does not mean Manifestat...

Keyvan

Dear Keyvan. I am building such a site to cover prophecy and a whole plethora of topics. It is not ready yet, and its creation has been delayed due to me starting a junior youth / youth group. I will attempt to get it done, and when I'm ready to release some of it to the world, I'll let you know (o...

Keyvan

In my opinion this site is absolutely awful. The guy who created it obviously is one of a small batch of Baha'i's who has this fanatical appreciation of the notion that Mormonism somehow has some legitimacy in the Baha'i Faith - an idea which is completely unsupported by any Baha'i text. At the very...

Keyvan

In my opinion this site is absolutely awful. The guy who created it obviously is one of a small batch of Baha'i's who has this fanatical appreciation of the notion that Mormonism somehow has some legitimacy in the Baha'i Faith - an idea which is completely unsupported by any Baha'i text. At the ver...

Keyvan

344. Prohibition on Representing Manifestations of God in Paintings or Drawings Applies to all Manifestations The prohibition on representing the Manifestation of God in paintings and drawings or in dramatic presentations applies to all the Manifestations of God. There are, of course, great and won...

Keyvan

344. Prohibition on Representing Manifestations of God in Paintings or Drawings Applies to all Manifestations The prohibition on representing the Manifestation of God in paintings and drawings or in dramatic presentations applies to all the Manifestations of God. There are, of course, great and wond...

Keyvan

So I just watched the Mel Gibson movie Apocalypto, and for anyone who has seen it, its clear that the movie's themes are very parallel to Baha'i teachings. That is, the whole emphasis of Apocalypse meaning the coming of a new beginning, led by mankind's self-destruction, and not a supernatural "...

Keyvan

well on one level we can think: warning someone of another person does not constitute gossip and backbiting. but on another level we can derive: regardless of intent, it is wrong to talk negatively about another behind their back I'm trying to find writings which would make this matter clear, and fo...

Keyvan

if you go to the pilgrim's house in Haifa, they have a picture of all the Hands of the Cause of God in this one room, and even Mason Remey's picture is up there just like everyone else, though beside his name it says "(declared a Covenant Breaker etc etc)

Keyvan

I'm having a difficult time finding writings on this and I'm wondering if anyone has encountered it. Say a person is known for committing immoral acts against others (could be personal, business related, etc) and has a track record for hurting people. If someone else has knowledge of that persons tr...

Keyvan

yes there is. ive seen film footage of the Guardian in a powerpoint presentation by Dr. Bushrui. It was a poor quality camera though, only a few frames per second.

a friend of mine on service told me that there are audio recordings of his speeches in Haifa.

Keyvan

Keyvan, just go back to the first posting, and it will all be clear. Irish asked for a copy or translation of a tablet on page 341 of Amr va Khalq Volume 3. I posted the URL to that page (easier than sending him a copy), and a translation. Naturally it is not an official translation, since I just d...

Keyvan

Baha-library is more popular than his site. i guarantee you this thread ALONE is getting far far far more web traffic, which is actually kind of a shame because it gives him undeserved publicity

Keyvan

Keyvan, I need to give you a warning for tone. Bahai's should be respectful in all circumstances. Irish, I have also read somewhere that 'Abdu'l-Baha recommended that for the sake of wisdom, Baha'is in Iran should wear the veil until such time as it would be gradually discarded by the people there....

Keyvan

Sen, i dont know where you are getting these ideas but i have never seen anything to say there has been an abrogation, and thus connoting hejab perse was an instituted law of the previous dispensation. also you must label your quotes with the author and source The source is the URL at the top of th...

Keyvan

31. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husband...

Keyvan

Actually no. I am not talking about Islam in a way that does not make sense here. You are jumping to conclusions. When have i mentioned that Bahai's are trying to disprove Islam??? I simply explained that Muslims have their counter arguments against "anti-Islamic" sites. RATHER the Baha'i...

Keyvan

To simply resolve this we need to establish whether Imran has made up the information on his site or whether he has the sources to back him up. Imran is apparently fluent in farsi and arabic therefore someone who is also fluent in these languages should request the sources. If Imran fails to delive...

Keyvan

to omid: you know this is what always happens with people who attack the faith like this. whether with anger, or passively like Imran. now we know, as imran has done here, they make up random stories and call it history, without any source to back it, and they make up quotes that do not exist. but w...

Keyvan

Hey, Maybe you can point out the mistakes he has made because as a Bahai seeker i can tell you that he is actually doing more damage than good. If you can point these mistakes out then other seekers like myself can be proven Imran is spreading only lies, but at this time, no Bahai seems to challeng...

Keyvan

Imran Shaykh doesnt realize hes helping us more than hes hurting us...in a weird way: But after I leave, some people may arise in opposition, heaping persecutions upon you in their bitterness, and in the newspapers there may be articles published against the Cause. Rest ye in the assurance of firmne...

Keyvan

Imran Shaykh writes "articles" without source or anything. His idea is to make a clean looking site that people can stumble upon and just buy what they read without further investigation. It doesn't fool the intelligent investigating crowd, who would see that not a single piece of primary ...

Keyvan

The point about the banquet is that it was given *after* this article was published (and reviewed) twice. Are you really not getting the point? You are entirely on your own with your objections to this article. No-one has supported you on this list, and the reviews and publications and the banquet ...

Keyvan

All you can do is praise Udo Schaefer but you have not made it a point to counter what I just explained. Well perhaps you have not explained it clearly enough. All I am hearing is an arrogant presumption to know better than others. Where is your substantial critique to the actual argument - not wor...

Keyvan

Do you think you guys could make a google gadget for the Baha'i library search? It would be great to have on a homepage

Keyvan

On Baha'i Library there are no articles that attempt to take apart the institutions outside of this one. The article you object to has been reviewed by the NSA of the UK Schaeffer is absolutely not trying to take apart the institutions ! He has been a member of the National Assembly of Germany for ...

Keyvan

No: the contents of the library should not be selected according to what someone thinks is orthodox. This is a good academic article, well based on the sources. You write Whats worse is, of those references, the one above is the only one that refers to the institutions being "unerring" bu...

Keyvan

I feel like this article "Infallible Institutions?" should be removed. It's unscholarly and misleading. I'm seeing links pop up to it in forums everywhere. in this article from Kalimat, Schaffer attempts to contradict the idea of absolute Infallibility of the institutions of the Guardian a...

Keyvan

To my knowledge, this is not a distinction that is upheld in the Baha'i Writings as a basis for understanding this subject. In Gleanings section XXV Baha'u'llah writes: "It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be charac...

Keyvan

thanks for your kind words again. and actually i did in fact mean "CENOphobia" not "xenophobia." xenophobia - the fear of strangers or foreigners cenophobia (aka centophobia) - the fear of new ideas or things Odd, it wasn't in the dictionary. hmm. it may be under neophobia. but ...

Keyvan

thanks for your kind words again.

and actually i did in fact mean "CENOphobia" not "xenophobia."

xenophobia - the fear of strangers or foreigners

cenophobia (aka centophobia) - the fear of new ideas or things

Keyvan

thanks for your help. yeah i was thinking to ask dr momen. if i can find any kind of lists ill post them here. thanks again.

Keyvan

Thankyou for your kind words. Well in my personal opinion, fundamentalist radical interpretations (not even necessarily the militant type of radicalism) form, not out of objective reasoning of religious texts, but rather out of a preservationist need. People are generally cenophobic when it comes to...

Keyvan

british_bahai wrote:(Keyvan - are u Muslim )

Baha'i

Keyvan

Ok I see what you are asking. The Quran for its time and place is more about advancing the ummah, the community therein. As for people of other beliefs, or of none they are Quranically in two groups. There are those who come from faiths of preceding Divine Dispensations like Judaism and Christianity...

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