Mason Remey as "Hand of the Cause" on Wikipedia
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:52 am
According to Wikipedia, he is still a Hand of the Cause. That can't be right, wasn't that title revoked?
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I take you don't understand wikipedia very well. I am a regular editor there, and it just doesn't quite work like you see it. YES it is very accurate. Most vandalism and POV is reverted within minutes.british_bahai wrote:Wikipedia isnt exactly the most accurate of websites - anyone (i.e. RANDOM people) is allowed to edit information...
Zazaban wrote:I take you don't understand wikipedia very well. I am a regular editor there, and it just doesn't quite work like you see it. YES it is very accurate. Most vandalism and POV is reverted within minutes.british_bahai wrote:Wikipedia isnt exactly the most accurate of websites - anyone (i.e. RANDOM people) is allowed to edit information...
That also gets revered pretty quickly. My efforts for awhile was concentrated only on Baha'i articles, but then I expanded to all religions. This caused extreme stress, so now I have settled down to just Baha'i and Invader Zim articles.british_bahai wrote:Zazaban wrote:I take you don't understand wikipedia very well. I am a regular editor there, and it just doesn't quite work like you see it. YES it is very accurate. Most vandalism and POV is reverted within minutes.british_bahai wrote:Wikipedia isnt exactly the most accurate of websites - anyone (i.e. RANDOM people) is allowed to edit information...
Yeah, i know vandalism is quickly dealt with. When it comes to Bahai topics, though, its not as noticeable. Ive come across a few dodgy pages. There seems to be a few cov.breakers on Wikipedia and they seem pretty persistent because theyve put up a lot of info. Thats what i was getting at.
Sen McGlinn wrote:I do not think Mason Remey's title as Hand was ever revoked, because when he became a covenant-breaker, the Guardian had already died. If the Hands or the UHJ had the authority to revoke the title, surely they would have the authority to grant it? But they did not (and do not): they have concluded that only the Guardian had the authority to appoint Hands of the Cause. So it would be correct to say that Remey was a Hand of the Cause. He was expelled from the Faith (JULY 26, 1960, see Ministry of the Custodians, p. 223), so perhaps he was a Hand without a Cause?
Ministry of the Custodians, p. 223 wrote: To All National Spiritual Assemblies, C/O BAHA'I WILMETTE JULY 26, 1960 ENTIRE BODY HANDS OBEDIENT PROVISIONS WILL TESTAMENT CENTRE COVENANT COMMUNICATIONS BELOVED GUARDIAN ENJOINING THEM PROTECT HOLY CAUSE ATTACKS ENEMIES WITHIN WITHOUT ANNOUNCE BAHA'I WORLD MASON REMEY COVENANT BREAKER EXPELLED FAITH STOP ACTION FOLLOWS LONG PERIOD PATIENCE FORBEARANCE OPPORTUNITY GIVEN HIM WITHDRAW SHAMEFUL PRETENSION SACRED STATION GUARDIANSHIP CONSTITUTING HERETICAL CLAIM CONTRARY EXPLICIT PROVISIONS WILL MASTER STOP DESPITE UNIVERSAL REPUDIATION DENUNCIATION BY ALL HANDS INTERNATIONAL BAHA'I COUNCIL ALL NATIONAL ASSEMBLIES REMEY CONTINUING AGITATE UNFOUNDED CLAIM ACTIVELY SEEKING CREATE DIVISION RANKS FAITHFUL SOW SEEDS DOUBT HEARTS BELIEVERS UNDERMINE ACTIVITIES INSTITUTION HANDS CHIEF STEWARDS DEDICATED FULFILMENT BELOVED GUARDIAN'S TEN YEAR PLAN STOP ACCORDANCE INJUNCTION WILL TESTAMENT 'Abdu'l-Baha, CALL UPON FRIENDS EVERYWHERE SHUN REMEY AND ANYONE ASSOCIATING WITH HIM OR ACTIVELY SUPPORTING HIS CLAIMS STOP CONFIDENT COMMUNITY MOST GREAT NAME UNITED WHOLEHEARTED CONDEMNATION THIS LATEST ILL-FATED ATTEMPT DISRUPT GOD's HOLY CAUSE WILL EMERGE TRIUMPHANT STRENGTHENED GALVANIZED ISSUE FORTH WIN REMAINING GOALS GLORIOUS WORLD ENCIRCLING CRUSADE STOP CABLE MESSAGE ALL NATIONAL ASSEMBLIES. [CABLE] HANDSFAITH To All National Spiritual Assemblies, c/o BAHAI WILMETTE AUGUST 3,1960 BELOVED GUARDIAN's GLORIOUS EPISTLE GOD PASSES BY CLEARLY STATES HOLY CAUSE CONSTANTLY SUBJECT CRISES GIVING RISE GREATER VICTORIES STOP HISTORY DEFECTION DISTINGUISHED BELIEVERS FOLLOWING ASCENSION FORERUNNER FAITH SUPREME MANIFESTATION CENTRE COVENANT NOW REPEATED AFTER ASCENSION PRECIOUS SHOGHI Effendi THROUGH MASON REMEY'S DEFECTION HIS PREPOSTEROUS UTTERLY UNFOUNDED CLAIMS STOP PROTECTION BELIEVERS FROM ACTIVITIES MISGUIDED MISCHIEF MAKERS GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY REPENT NOW REQUIRES EXPULSION FAITH REMEY's HENCHMEN JOHN CARRE BERNARD Fillon, MONEER. DARAKHSHAN JOEL MARANGELLA JACQUES SOGHOMONIAN DONALD HARVEY JOHN BYERS IN FRANCE AND MARY WILKIN UNITED STATES STOP HENCEFORTH ANYONE ASSOCIATING THESE PEOPLE OR SUPPORTING REMEY CLAIM LIKEWISE CONSIDERED COVENANT BREAKER STOP CONFIDENT FAITHFUL DEVOTED BODY