Baha'u'llah in the dungeon

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Baha'u'llah in the dungeon

Postby Mystic Cloud » Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:03 am

Do anyone of you know if he has written about this in
specific detail? What I would like to read about is the symptoms
he got when being in the pitch-black darkness.
Thank you in beforehand :)
If we compare our size to infinitely big,
that would make us infinitely small. But when
we compare ourselves to infinitely small, it makes us infinitely big. What is our size?

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Postby Mystic Cloud » Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:18 am

Found the following:

"During the days I lay in the prison of Tihrán, though the galling weight of the chains and the stench-filled air allowed Me but little sleep, still in those infrequent moments of slumber I felt as if something flowed from the crown of My head over My breast, even as a mighty torrent that precipitateth itself upon the earth from the summit of a lofty mountain. Every limb of My body would, as a result, be set afire. At such moments My tongue recited what no man could bear to hear."

- Bahá'u'lláh, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p.22

Is there any more descriptions?
I would be VERY interested to get more information about this, because
this all looks like a powerful Kundalini awakening to me. Which can
awaken when staying in pitch-black darkness for long enough :wink:
If we compare our size to infinitely big,

that would make us infinitely small. But when

we compare ourselves to infinitely small, it makes us infinitely big. What is our size?

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Kundalini

Postby Pilosofia » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:58 pm

Interesting question. In my opinion I see a very important
difference between Baha'u'llah's experience while in the prison and the Kundalini experience. In many cases Kundalini awareness takes place
without the person knowing it, while in Baha'u'llah's experience he was
aware of this occurence and even used the me as "Me" something
more then just an experience. However this is only my opinion.

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Postby brettz9 » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:42 pm

I agree with Pilosofia...Our Writings make a distinction between those visions with which the Prophets are inspired and those which are the imaginations of the individual:

There is a fundamental difference between Divine Revelation as vouchsafed by God to His Prophets, and the spiritual experiences and visions which individuals may have. The latter should, under no circumstances, be construed as constituting an infallible source of guidance, even for the person experiencing them.

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi dated November 1, 1940, to an individual believer, Lights of Guidance, no. 1741)



As far as additional sources of this experience, Ruhi book 4 on "The Twin Manifestations" describes this in sections 12 and 14 (quotations here)

This episode is also narrated in Chapter 2 of the Bahá'í International Community's statement on Bahá'u'lláh (but without further quotiatons than those in Epistle to the Son of the Wolf).

Brett

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Re: Kundalini

Postby Mystic Cloud » Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:16 am

Pilosofia wrote:Interesting question. In my opinion I see a very important
difference between Baha'u'llah's experience while in the prison and the Kundalini experience. In many cases Kundalini awareness takes place
without the person knowing it, while in Baha'u'llah's experience he was
aware of this occurence and even used the me as "Me" something
more then just an experience. However this is only my opinion.


Actually a full blown sudden Kundalini experience will not
go unnoticed because of the shift from one energy level to another.
Most could go insane just because of this.

While the spiritual texts share the 'same' content the way they are told
are tailored to the time and culture present at that time. Which means
that they should not be fanatisized and read as something completely solid and unchanging. They should be read with an open mind and heart instead
of practicing an unevolving dogma based on assumptions made by a text
that is understood differently by each individual that reads it.

To brett:

While I agree with you very much that there is indeed a difference between the Prophets that were destined by the Divine and the
individuals living the life, we still live in the human body, made by
the same elements, and the same atoms, which make us all human.

Thank you VERY much for those references, I'll dig into them! :D
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that would make us infinitely small. But when

we compare ourselves to infinitely small, it makes us infinitely big. What is our size?

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to Mystic cloud

Postby Pilosofia » Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:03 pm

I hear what you are saying, but I must disagree on your conception
of the kundalini experience. The post was on Baha'u'llah in prison
and it is not my wish to go onto another subject here.
Have a nice day. :D

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Re: Baha'u'llah in the dungeon

Postby mystic68749 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:54 pm

What is Kundalini? What is Kundalini awakening stages? Right now I am writing. This is Kundalini. You are alert and reading. If you are alert and reading that is KUNDALINI. The flowers blossoming that is Kundalini. A dog is barking that is also Kundalini or in other words the fundamental life force in the existence we call it Kundalini.

Now within the human system. If you look at this as a kind of a life package. It’s a piece of life this piece of life is packed in a certain way with layers of this energy. One dimensional energy comes alive immediately because that is necessary for your survival process.

The other dimensions of energy will not come alive unless you do something about it, unless you are aware of it and activate it in a certain way. They do not come into existence. They remain dormant the dormant. Energy is way bigger than the energy that is in use right now.

The mind of a worldly man generally moves among the three lower centers; those at the navel, at the sexual organ, and at the organ of evacuation. In that state, the mind loses all its higher visions-it broods only on ‘lust and wealth’. Yoga is not possible if the mind dwells on “Lust and wealth”. After the greater effort and spiritual practice, the Kundalini is awakened. According to the Yogis, there are three nerves in the spinal column: Ida, Pingala, and And Sushumna.

Kundalini is the Primordial Energy said to be located at the base of the spine. Different spiritual traditions teach methods of awakening the kundalini for the purpose of reaching enlightenment or self-realization.

Along the Sushumna are six lotuses, or centers, the lower being known as the Muladhara. Then come successively Svadhisthana, Manipura, Anahata, Visuddha, And Ajna. These are the six centers. The Kundalini lies in the lotus of the Muladhara (at the root of the spinal column). That lotus has four petals. The Primordial Energy resides in all bodies as the Kundalini.

She is looking like a sleeping snake coiled up -of the form of a sleeping snake, having the Muladhara for Her abode. The Kundalini is speedily awakened if one follows the path of Bhakti Yoga( Devotion).

The Kundalini, when awakened, passes through the lower centers and involves the Anahata, which is at the heart. It stays there. At that point, the mind of the aspirant is withdrawn from the three lower centers. When the mind dwells there, one has the first glimpse of spiritual consciousness. One sees light all around. Such a man, perceiving the divine light, becomes speechless with wonder and says: “Ah! What is this? What is this?” His mind does not go downward to the objects of the world.

According to the Vedas, these centers are called ‘Bhumi’, ‘Planes’. There are seven such planes. The center at the heart corresponds to the fourth plane of the Vedas. According to the Tantra there is in this this center a lotus called Anahata, with twelve petals.

Do you want to kundalini awakening stages:
https://truecosmic.com/what-is-kundalin ... ng-stages/


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