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onepence~2
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and to the teachers,

Postby onepence~2 » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:25 am

"We have divided inheritance into seven categories: to the children, We have allotted nine parts comprising five hundred and forty shares; to the wife, eight parts comprising four hundred and eighty shares; to the father, seven parts comprising four hundred and twenty shares; to the mother, six parts comprising three hundred and sixty shares; to the brothers, five parts or three hundred shares; to the sisters, four parts or two hundred and forty shares; and to the teachers, three parts or one hundred and eighty shares. Such was the ordinance of My Forerunner, He Who extolleth My Name in the night season and at the break of day. When We heard the clamour of the children as yet unborn, We doubled their share and decreased those of the rest. He, of a truth, hath power to ordain whatsoever He desireth, and He doeth as He pleaseth by virtue of His sovereign might."

The Kitab-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34: gr20
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KA/ka ... light#gr20

Dear Friends,

Was curious about present day application of inheritance laws.

Has anybody had any direct experience with "divided inheritance into seven categories" ?

Has anybody read anything about people who have had to divide inheritance ... ?

We understand "The Bahá’í laws of inheritance apply only in case of intestacy, that is, when the individual dies without leaving a will. In the Kitáb-i-Aqdas (# 109), Bahá’u’lláh instructs every believer to write a will. He elsewhere clearly states that the individual has full jurisdiction over his property and is free to determine the manner in which his or her estate is to be divided and to designate, in the will, those, whether Bahá’í or non-Bahá’í, who should inherit (Q and A 69). In this connection," ...

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KA/ka ... hlight#gr1

Yet we are seeking discussion upon direct experience with any case of intestacy.

The reason we ask ... is we have always ponder the distribution and practice of "to the teachers, three parts or one hundred and eighty shares." ...

*smile*

It had always remained a problem to us ... because ... most of the friends we considered teachers to us ... have or will have passed on into the Abha kingdom before our will will be read ... so ... if we wanted to name a teacher as a benefactor in our will how would we be able to do so ... ???

In brief ... after a few years mediation ... *ugh* ...
{y did it take years of contemplation} {*ugh & double ugh*}
yes ... years of meditation ... we have tought that perhaps ...

perhaps ...

The LSA's could {should} appoint a teacher and/or teachers
{for a mandated period of time} {???}

thus ... the inheritance laws concerning
"and to the teachers, three parts or one hundred and eighty shares."
could be adequately understood and practiced by the believers

*smile*

yes ... ???
no ... ???

thoughts ... ???

current practice ... ???
past practice ... ???

precedents ... ???

all discussion welcome ...

seeking knowledge upon "and to the teachers, three parts or one hundred and eighty shares."

thanks

oneness,
dh

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Re: and to the teachers,

Postby brettz9 » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:13 pm

Hi Onepence and all,

Thank you for raising the question toward further applicability of Baha'i laws here.

I'd suggest a few points here:

1) As per http://bahai-library.com/index.php5?fil ... nding.html , the laws of inheritance are not yet binding in the West
2) The writer of the will has full freedom to dispose his/her bequest as he or she wishes.
3) As per the following quotation, the real purpose of the law is to encourage people to write wills according to their own wishes (though admittedly there are no doubt some general social truths evident in the system, even if they are not meant to be universally applied).

In truth, the wisdom of this perspicuous and most mighty ordinance is that no one should draw breath without a will. Observe how, in the absence of a will, the inheritance in its entirety is divided up, distributed and dispersed contrary to the wishes of the deceased; what difficulties and disagreements are thus engendered! The will, however, is the settler of every dispute, and the cause of ease for all, for in it the testator disposeth of his property in whatsoever manner he desireth. How agreeable it is for the estate in its entirety to be disposed of in accordance with the testator's will and pleasure! Observe ye how many people during their lifetime are fearful about what will happen when they pass away. Now, with this divine commandment -- the obligation and religious duty of drawing up a will before one's passing -- all these difficulties are resolved.

('Abdu'l-Baha, Tablet at http://bahai-library.com/file.php5?file ... itance_bwc )


As far as teachers, even in the system prescribed by Baha'u'llah for cases of intestacy, there is another means for distribution if the teachers are no longer living:

If the teacher is deceased, his offspring do not inherit his share, but rather two thirds of it revert to the children of the owner of the estate, and the remaining one third to the House of Justice.

(Baha'u'llah, Kitab-i-Aqdas, Question and Answers, no. 33)


The Kitab-i-Aqdas has an excellent cross-referencing between notes and questions, etc., if you are seeking further questions on Baha'i laws of inheritance.

best wishes,
Brett

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Re: and to the teachers,

Postby onepence~2 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:26 am

"Another development was the evolution of a number of persons who taught the Bahá'í Faith on a full-time basis, either resident in a locality or traveling around the community. These individuals, called muballighs, reached their greatest importance at the end of the nineteenth century. Sadru's-Sudúr (q.v.) set up an institute for training muballighs in Tehran in the early twentieth century."

http://www.northill.demon.co.uk/relstud ... unications

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Re: and to the teachers,

Postby onepence~2 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:31 am

"In 1907 a Bahá'í fund (sandúq-i khayriyyih) was established in Tehran to finance the full-time Bahá'í teachers (muballighs) and for the assistance of Bahá'í education and the support of orphans, the aged and handicapped (Rafati 458). From the early 1920s, Shoghi Effendi encouraged the development of a national Bahá'í fund to finance the Bahá'í administration."

http://www.northill.demon.co.uk/relstud ... unications

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Re: and to the teachers,

Postby brettz9 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:09 pm

Yes, thanks for bringing those up.

There are Writings regarding both for funding the teaching of the Faith:

"Centre your energies in the propagation of the Faith of God," Bahá'u'lláh thus instructs His servants, adding, "Whoso is worthy of so high a calling, let him arise and promote it. Whoso is unable, it is his duty to appoint him who will, in his stead, proclaim this Revelation...." (5) Just as one deputizes another to teach in one's stead by covering the expenses of a pioneer or travelling teacher, one can deputize a teacher serving an institute, who is, of course, a teacher of teachers. To do so, one may make contributions to the Continental Bahá'í Fund, as well as to the Local, National and International Funds, earmarked for this purpose.

(Universal House of Justice, Ridvan, 153 B.E.)


...and for education in general:

Everyone, whether man or woman, should hand over to a trusted person a portion of what he or she earneth through trade, agriculture or other occupation, for the training and education of children, to be spent for this purpose with the knowledge of the Trustees of the House of Justice

(Baha'u'llah, Tablet of the World, in Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 90)


best wishes,
Brett


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