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Next Manifestation of God

Postby Pouria_19 » Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:50 am

These are other points to be noted when contemplating on the revelation of the next Manifestation of God.
The following is to be noted in complementary to the post of Omid Townsend.



As already established before in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas (¶37):
 "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying imposter. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repend, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his errror, God will assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things..."
-The next Manifestation of God will not come for another 1000.
 Although the Most Holy Book was revealed in 1873 (therefore the next manifestation due to come down at least at 2873 AD), this is a reference to the Greater Covenant of God. Therefore, it can, also, be taken into consideration that Bahá'u'lláh had his hidden intimation in the Síyáh-Chál from October 16-28 1852, and so the next manifestation not being due until 2852. Bahá'u'lláh also declared, privately, in the garden of Ridván (Geographically the same place as the garden of Eden) in April 21, 1863. So another option is that another manifestation won't come at least until 2863. These datings are in significant for the daily overall study, but is good to be contemplated on.

Scattered in His Writings, Bahá'u'lláh, repeatedly, reveales the phrase:
 "He doeth, whatsoever He willeth, and ordaineth what he desireth."
(the latter of the passage has varying wording)
-It can be debated that, this passage alone, can 'over-rule' the passage in the Most Holy Book. Because it can establish that if God wills it, he can reveal his Manifestation at any time he willeth. But it does not coencide with the fact that God will punish him who is a false prophet. This fact is astounding.

In the Kitáb-i-Íqán, Bahá'u'lláh reveals:
 "Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified person of His chosen Ones... And whensoever the prtals of grade did open, and the clouds of divine bounty did rain upon mankind, the light of the Unseen did shine above the horizon of celestial might, they all denied Him, and turned away from His face-the face of God Himself. "(KI, p.4)
-This is passage can also be debated to be a prediction of the future. It can prophecise that the next manifestation can, too be rejected, but this is not to be mistaken to include the Universal House of Justice. In other places, in both the Íqán and other scriptures, (which I am still looking for) there are proofs that the next manifestation of God will be rejected by the outwardly learned. This argument can also be aided by the passage, "He doeth whatsoever He willeth" because it can be a test for the outwardly learned not to be so direct in the verses. But this can also be strongly argued against, for the Aqdas reveals, "Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning..."

Some other ideas to take into consideration:
-The next Manifestation of God may be female (because prior to the revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, there was no equality)
-He/She may reveal Him/Herself at a much younger age
-The Universal House of Justice is divinely guided, therefore it will acknowledge when the next Manifestation of God has come
-There will be false prophets (I am still in the proccess of finding proofs from the Writings

These are just some things to think about. It should, under no circumstances be taken up as anyway authoritative, because all the thoughts composed are my own.

H.

Postby H. » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:25 am

Please see "The next prophet" in the other topic
Thanks,
H.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby shadbakht » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:53 pm

I see that "the next prophet" thread is closed, so I'll post here.
I just wanted to ask a question. I've heard that there's a quote from Bahá'u'lláh mentioning He has already wept for the next Manifestation of God.
Does anyone recall or know the source?
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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby brettz9 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:05 am

Were you thinking of one of these:

"I am not apprehensive for My own self," Bahá'u'lláh still more explicitly declares, "My fears are for Him Who will be sent down unto you after Me--Him Who will be invested with great sovereignty and mighty dominion." And again He writes in the Súratu'l-Haykal: "By those words which I have revealed, Myself is not intended, but rather He Who will come after Me. To it is witness God, the All-Knowing." "Deal not with Him," He adds, "as ye have dealt with Me."

(Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 117)


For more quotations on the Next Manifestation, see http://bahai9.com/wiki/Him_Who_will_be_ ... u_after_Me

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby shadbakht » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:18 am

Thank you dear Brett,
I do know that one, which is very similar to the one I'm thinking of. That's not the one, though.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby iranpour » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:14 am

Our friend Pouria_19 has written:
Scattered in His Writings, Bahá'u'lláh, repeatedly, reveales the phrase:
"He doeth, whatsoever He willeth, and ordaineth what he desireth."
(the latter of the passage has varying wording)
-It can be debated that, this passage alone, can 'over-rule' the passage in the Most Holy Book. Because it can establish that if God wills it, he can reveal his Manifestation at any time he willeth. But it does not coencide with the fact that God will punish him who is a false prophet. This fact is astounding.


I have to say that the following words of Baha’u’llah in the Kitab-i-Iqan has not mentioned in this discussion, Who appointed the date about a thousand year:

“Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and re-adorned. …. That city is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation”. (Kitab-i-Iqan p. 219)

The word “about” which has revealed from the Pen of Glory as certified by the Persian text of the Iqan and defined by dictionary as “approximately, at a time near to,close to”, must be before or after, but very close to a thousand year.

I suggest that the next Manifestation would appear 983 years after the inauguration of the Baha'i Era (B.E). And as Baha’u’llah received the first intimation of His world Mission on 1852 and His Formal or Public Declaration was on 1863, there would be two options:

A: 1863-1844=19 983+19=1002 years after the Open Declaration, on 2865 A.D.

B: 1852-1844=8 983+8=991 years after the intimate Declaration, on 2835 A.D.

If you ask where did I found the number 983, it is the numeral number of one of the Baha'i texts by the Abjad Notation.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby brettz9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:35 am

Hello,

According to the notes of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, the reckoning will be from 1852:

"The intimation of His Revelation to Bahá'u'lláh in the Síyáh-Chál of Tihrán, in October 1852, marks the birth of His Prophetic Mission and hence the commencement of the one thousand years or more that must elapse before the appearance of the next Manifestation of God."

(Notes to the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, note 62)


The same note also mentions:

"The Dispensation of Bahá'u'lláh will last until the coming of the next Manifestation of God, Whose advent will not take place before at least "a full thousand years" will have elapsed. Bahá'u'lláh cautions against ascribing to "this verse" anything other than its "obvious meaning", and in one of His Tablets, He specifies that "each year" of this thousand year period consists of "twelve months according to the Qur'án, and of nineteen months of nineteen days each, according to the Bayán".
'Abdu'l-Baha underscores the obviousness of the "years" again with "years known and clearly established by common usage and requiring no interpretation".

Note also from the above and from the text of the Aqdas, that it must at least be a "full" thousand years (with Shoghi Effendi restating it as "at least one thousand years", and Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice further underscoring it as "no less than a thousand years").

The only "wiggle room" is the puzzling statement, "twelve months according to the Qur'án, and of nineteen months of nineteen days each, according to the Bayán" which would suggest to me that it could either be based on a lunar calendar or solar, so I think it could end up to your supposition of 983.

Anyways, it will not be in our lifetime...


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