Re: True, up to a point

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Posted by PatK on July 08, 2101 at 13:19:59:

In Reply to: True, up to a point posted by Dawud on July 08, 2101 at 03:07:16:

Greetings Dawud,

PK: Yes, 'Abdu'l Baha drew examples of human inadequacy richly and freely. The examples Darrick offers do not state that anyone is incapable of improving themselves.

PK: Here 'Abdu'l Baha points out the savagery of Europeans and Americans:
"Yet in ancient times these were the MOST SAVAGE of the world's peoples, the most ignorant and brutish. They were even stigmatized as BARBARIANS --that is, utterly RUDE and UNCIVILIZED."

PK: Interestingly, this had been pointed out to Darrick over a year ago by an African fellow. Yet, Darrick remains curiously untouched by it, instead persisting in posting out of context quotes.

PK: Now, I should not only point out that this has been pointed out to him in the past, but I will point out that I have pointed out to him in the past that this was pointed out to him in the past, a past so far gone, I referenced Deja messages and Deja went defunct last year!

PK: In fact, 'Abdu'l Baha encouraged all sorts of so-called 'racial' mixing. For example, 'Abdu'l Baha encouraged Louis Gregory, an African American, to marry Louis Mathew, an Englishwoman.

"He then raised me up and directed me to a seat. Besides my guide, the other persons present proved to be Tamaddun ul Molk and Nouraddin Zaine, Persians, and Nevill G. Meakin and Miss Louisa A. M. Mathew (afterwards Mrs. Louis G. Gregory), English."
"He was also interested in the race problem, and was gratified to know that 'Abdu'l-Bahá had approved of intermarriage as the most effective means of effacing racial differences."

When they got married, He wrote them:
vs, duas almas crentes! Eu me recordo
continuamente de vocs. Suplico a Deus que atravs de vs,
possa ser obtida uma boa camaradagem entre as raas
branca e de cor, pois vs sois o exemplo desta realizao
Sei tambm que vosso pensamento e meno, de dia e de
noite, está na orientao das almas brancas e negras.
Portanto, sede extremamente felizes, pois estais
confirmados nesta grande questo.

PK: I hope this sheds some light on 'Abdu'l Baha's statements on race.

- Pat

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