Re: I can't find this verse cited by Shoghi Effendi

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Posted by Jonah Winters ( on March 28, 2002 at 21:35:48:

In Reply to: I can't find this verse cited by Shoghi Effendi posted by Eric Sloan on March 27, 2002 at 03:07:30:

Hi, Eric. I don't think anyone knows the answer to this, or they would have chimed in by now. I haven't seen this verse anywhere else other than this one place.

Scholars have not yet found the original to every verse of Baha'u'llah translated or quoted by Shoghi Effendi. Indeed, even many of the passages in Gleanings have not yet been identified (see We have to remember that only 5-10% of the writings of Baha'u'llah have been translated, and most of His writings aren't even published in Arabic or Persian yet. Until they all are, the source for verses like this might remain a mystery.

Below are the only other two references in any "primary source" books I could find. Both actually refer to a different and earlier prophecy, i.e. the coming of the Manifestation of Baha'u'llah himself. I include them out of interest, not because they're directly relevant. The only other source I could find for the prophecy you're asking about is as given in the Aqdas (verse 37: "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor...")


  1. From
    In the year 1864, the Persian Government induced the Turkish authorities to transfer the Bábí exiles farther from their frontier-first to Constantinople and then to Adrianople. Now while they were at Adrianople a great event took place, which had the effect of dividing the Bábís into two antagonistic parties. Subh-i- Ezel, as I have explained, had hitherto been generally acknowledged as the legitimate successor of the Báb, and the visible head of the Bábí faith. But, as I have also explained, the Báb had declared that his revelation was not final, and that he would, at some future time not specified, be succeeded by " Him whom God shall manifest." It was generally believed that this new manifestation would not take place for at least a thousand years, ere the lapse of which many countries should have accepted the religion of the Báb. At the same time the Báb had laid it down that the time of this promised deliverer's advent was known only to God, that no one could falsely claim to be him, that he would appear

  2. From
    Dawn of a New Day

    He Whom God Will Make Manifest

    The Bab said that whenever "He whom God will make manifest" appears, accept Him. He never said don't accept Him until after the lapse of 1000 years. Also Baha'u'llah says that in the year 9 of the Babi Dispensation the time was ripe for the Revelation of "He whom God will make manifest". As the Bab was not only a Manifestation but a Herald of this Baha'i Faith, the interval between His Revelation and that of Baha'u'llah was of shorter duration. His Dispensation in a sense will last as long as Baha'u'llah's lasts.

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