Baha'i Library Forum

choogue

Yeh ive read the site and the guy has a lot of hate in him. He uses the verses of the Quran to suit his needs. There is a site that explains what he does and answers his pathetic questions. Ali Sina is simply against Islam (i think religion all together) and creates many lies for the naive and ignor...

choogue

Sorry for the late reply. Ive been studying and didnt have time to use the forum. I want to apologise for using Nilofers post. Richard is right and i feel bad for Nilofer. I think i just got caught up in it and didnt realise it wasnt even my post. I wont let it go this far next time. Sorry Nilofer. ...

choogue

ErikL, Bahais aren't allowed to accept converts in my country, Really? Didnt know that. Is that only for Jews or Muslims and Christians aswell? Am I considered Bahai if I proclaimed myself to be one? I think you would be. Religion is in your heart not a piece of paper. No-one has the right to tell y...

choogue

BTW, your post mentioned CB (Covenant-Breaker) and Sen in the same context. Let me emphasize, strongly, that Sen has *not* been declared or even rumored to have any affiliation with Covenant-Breakers, and he has not even had his administrative rights removed. Rather, he has been deemed to simply no...

choogue

Hey Jonah,

I just did a search on google about covenant breakers and that came up as a source. Ill have to do the search again and try and find it.

Ill post the link once i find it.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

A King's messenger is different from a Messenger of God. Where in the below verse is the word king mentioned? What?? BW, did i say that the messenger of a king is the same? Did i say that a verse has to contain the word King to cancel out that messenger doesnt mean messenger from GOD??? No! All i w...

choogue

Thanks fellas.

You really go out of your way to answer my annoying questions. I really appreciate it. Thanks.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

Sikhsm, You may not understand the replies but personally im having difficulties understanding your replies. Are you trying to be funny when you say: Who waana become ma prophet?????????? I personally take offence to that and im sure the Bahai's on the forum would to. man i need someones yaho id i c...

choogue

Hi All, Just a quick question, do Bahai believe that there was a beginning to the universe and will be an end to it? I understand that the belief of the Bahai of Judgement day and the Resurrection is symbolic when interpreting the previous scriptures, but will there eventually be an end? Regards Abbas

choogue

BW, I think you must of totally skipped one of my replies.....I have already shown you a verse where a rasul has been mentioned as a normal messenger. Its just after the post where you said: "Disregard my last message, as I have a more important one for you here." The post also explains the capital ...

choogue

Sorry BW. I just saw your other reply. Here is proof that "Rusul" always means Messenger of God in the Koran, and never an ordinary messenger: "Moreover, apostles before thee have been laughed to scorn: but that which they laughed to scorn encompassed the mockers among them!" (6:10) Transliteration:...

choogue

Hi Richard, P.S. BTW, this link: http://www.muslim.org/allegs/proph-def.htm, leads to an interesting discussion of the word "Rasul" and related words, and seems to be a good Islamic website, again, in my humble opinion, but what do i know??? I went to this link and found it to be an Ahmadiyyah site....

choogue

Abbas: You said: "As i have said before, we cannot intrepret the Quran because we are fallible and therefore only the infallible can because anyone can interpret it to suit their own needs." Yes, and you are interpreting yourself. Correct, which is a point that im trying to make. If i interpret it,...

choogue

In the Koran and in the Muslim world, the word "Rasul" always means "Messenger of God," representitive of God. That is the only context it is ever used in. It does not mean Imams, Imams and the like are not considered Rasuls. The Koran doesn't even talk about Imams. There are some hadiths where thi...

choogue

Yep it makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

I wonder why God is not able to judge our souls—why He needs our spiritual souls to be placed back into our physical bodies? Aren't our bodies meaningless—just temporary vehicles for the soul? Do our physical bodies make us who we are, or do the spirits (or minds) that quicken or animate us serve t...

choogue

Welcome Morutea,

I wouldnt actually feel obligated just because they support me. I would support them because i care for them and would want the best for them.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

Hi BW,

Do you mean that its not disrespectful to say happy bday to the Bab but it depends on the way you say it?

Regards
Abbas

choogue

Yeh thats fine BW. Take your time.

Its good to have someone who is willing to research. I really thankyou for your assistance.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

"Ya banee adama imma yatiyannakum rusulun [Arabic = "messengers"] minkum yaqussoona AAalaykum..." Muslims refer to Muhammad as "Hasrat Rusul." So, there you have it. I'm not familiar with the translator of the version of the Qur'an that you referenced, but the Arabic is very clear, it says "rusulun...

choogue

Asal, After reading your replies on different topics, i have noticed that you are intrested to know about the faith, and obviously your gf is not really helping you!!! what i suggest you do is ask your gf to organise for you what we call a "fire side", which is a gathering were couple of people baha...

choogue

Hi Asal, Welcome aboard! I havent been a member for too long but just to let you know, this is a great place to find answers to questions. Hope you find the answers you need and inshallah Allah will guide onto the right path. :) Could someone plz explain to me why a religion requires a membership ca...

choogue

Oh ok. Thanks for that Zazaban. But what if i study the Bahai religion and reject its teachings? Would i be punished for it? Thats what sort of freaks me out and wish i just stayed ignorant, but then again if i didnt investigate i would also be punished. So ive sort of put myself in a difficult situ...

choogue

She might just not know. However, Abbas, you yourself certainly don't need to be a Baha'i to point her to Baha'i sources stating otherwise. Baha'is can always learn from others, especially from educated, investigators after Truth from other Faiths such as yourself. Yeh i dont think she knows! But t...

choogue

Yep that was what i wanted to read next. At the moment im reading Kitab-I-Iqan.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

yeh thats cool. Your teaching me about Bahai not the other way around so i cant say NO THATS NOT RIGHT! hehe

I appreciate your help.

Regards
Abbas

choogue

I understand. But the Koran does prophesie the coming of more "Apostles": "O children of Adam! there shall come to you Apostles from among yourselves, rehearsing my signs to you." Yeh my girlfriend mentioned this to me before about another prophet in the Quran. This is where i would say Hadith is i...

choogue

Ok finally found it. It was a book written by MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA - BAHA'U'LLAH: THE GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE QUR'AN The Bab and Baha'u'llah declared that their Mission was to relieve the "burden" of injustice in the world and to institute a high moral standard in the conduct of its peoples. The Bab a...

choogue

Yeh i understand your response. Thanks. Im just wondering though what it is actually meant by "abrogating defensive war" though. I have to find that article again that states it. Doesnt abrogating defensive war mean to basically abolish? Or have i misunderstood? What could the real meaning be? I wou...

choogue

It's up to the House. They might not even hear about it. No, your wife wouldn't have to divorce you, that is not correct. She has to leave you, not be in your presence, but as far as I know she doesn't have to divorce you if you become a CBer. I suggest, as a Baha'i prayer states, let's not "dwell ...

choogue

Im glad you see my view BW. I can also understand your view since the Bahai dont believe in Hadiths. If i didnt believe in Hadith, i wouldnt study Bahai because i wouldnt believe the Mahdi is returning. It doesnt actually state that the Mahdi is returning in the Quran because obviously the Mahdi was...

choogue

Exactly. I agree with your point BW.

I want to learn through facts and the number 19 is totally irrelevant.

Thanks again

Abbas

choogue

Sorry, I assumed you were a Baha'i (maybe it's because you're such a nice guy ). Nah i think you thought i was Bahai coz i wasnt attacking the religion :) hehe. Islam is about respect so you have invited me into your house so i will respect you (whether i like you or not) <----- Doesnt mean i dont ...

choogue

That theory has been rejected. Ive read about the number 19 being the miracle of the Quran but evidence has shown it to be false. Apparently, a couple of verses need to be changed/removed in order for the number 19 to be true. The only sect that believes in that "miracle" are named "submission" (I t...

choogue

Thanks Jonah. I understand: - People wont get punished if they leave the faith, therefore parents can continue talking with them - If someone IS classed as a covenant breaker, then parents are prohibited from speaking to them The only question that i need an answer to now is: - If parents refuse to ...

choogue

might also add that although we believe that the Qur'an contains, at least implicitly, all kinds of knowledge, we are also told that the Baha'i Writings are themselves a standard, so we fortunately do not always have to go back to the Qur'an to verify something for ourselves (though it may help of ...

choogue

Thanks BW I can understand why some hadith can be counted as false and some not. I think hadith/traditions are very important to understand the faith. (that is, only hadiths that do not contradict the Quran. The Ahlul Bayt were infallible and wrote some of the hadiths. If it were not for hadiths, we...

choogue

Oh ok. The reason i posed the question again is because you stated that its a personal observation. But since now you mentioned that they definitely wouldnt be classed as covenant breakers, then you have answered my question. Ok, so if a Bahai leaves the faith(and are not classed as covenant breaker...

choogue

Hey BW, You mentioned that the Bahai dont believe in Hadiths/traditions. Is it regarding only Islam hadith/traditions. (does Bahai have hadiths?) BTW, even though Baha'is do not believe in Hadith (traditions of the sayings of Muhammad) because there is no way to be sure Muhammad really said those th...

choogue

Oh i thought Satan did exist in the Bahai faith. (seems like my girlfriend has been feeding me incorrect information again and she is supposed to be a tutor in the Bahai community!!) :? I now know that Satan was interpreted as evil in the Bahai faith but doesnt the Quran say he was an angel initiall...

choogue

Thanks Jonah.

Can anyone confirm this? Are Bahai's treated as covenant breakers if they leave the faith?

Or if they do leave the faith, are their parents and bahai friends allowed to continue speaking with them?

Regards
Abbas

choogue

Cool, thanks Jonah. Maybe you may be able to direct me to any writings of whether the Quran indicates anything about Buddha or Zoroastrian? That would be something that would be good to know. Or maybe if someone knows whether the Quran states anything about Buddha or Zoroastrian or even if the Proph...

choogue

Hi All, Did bahaullah abrogate defensive wars? I was just reading this piece of writing and wanted to confirm its true meaning. So if he did abrogate defensive wars, does that mean if another country tries to take over another, they are not allowed to defend themselves? Does that also mean that if s...

choogue

Actually i think it may have been Zoroastrian that came before the Prophet Muhammed(a.s), there if thats the case, the above questions can be replaced by Zoroastrian rather than buddha.

choogue

One other thing, does anyone know whether Buddha came before prophet Muhammed (a.s) and whether he was a divine messenger?

Also, since buddha is included as part of the unity of religion, does anyone know whether the Quran or the Prophet Muhammed (a.s) speaks of Buddha?

Regards
Abbas

choogue

i totally agree with you that made man practices have corrupted many religions. See, i believe that the Jewish religion is a revelation, Christian is a revelation and Islam is a revelation. All the rest i dont classify them as revelations and believe they are man-made. (not including Bahai, coz im s...

choogue

Certainly our love for God should be greater than even family members., especially wayward ones. It seems here if I understand correctly that the son said that either his parents choose Islam or he reject them (or he instructed them to accept him, not Islam—I don't fully understand the story)? Well...

choogue

Hi All, Just wondering if it is right to say that Bahai's believe in ALL the religions? Im trying to understand what the Bahai religion is actually saying when they mean unity of religion. Hinduism believe in the cow(?) as a God, therefore are idol worshippers. Bahai say that all previous religions ...

choogue

Hi All, As previously mentioned, my girlfriend is a Bahai however she doesnt agree with certain things in the Bahai faith. Would this make her a covenant breaker? For example, she doesnt believe that the UHJ is infallible(are they?) nor does she believe that family should choose between following th...

choogue

Thankyou all for the information. I agree with Brent that i have enough references to continue studying. I appreciate everyones reponses and if i have any further questions, i will do a search on the forum first. If a search fails and i require further clarification, i will post. Thanks again :) Abbas

choogue

Zazaban, Thankyou for clarifying that point for me. Brent, Again, i appreciate your assistance and the detailed response you have provided. Im starting to consider reading Gleanings first and then start on the Iqan. One more question please. This may be a stupid question and i should really do a sea...

choogue

Brent, Absolutely no hard feelings what so ever!! I understand why you would have assumed i had other motives. You are not at fault and there is no need to apologise. :) I am more than happy to get assistance from you and i would really appreciate it if you continue providing it. Regards Abbas By th...

choogue

Brent, This is exactly what i was afraid of and did not want to happen. Its true i already know the truth about Islam. Islam states that the mehdi will return and the time is not known. So this can be at anytime. From what i understand so far, the Bahai faith believe this has happened. So what if im...

choogue

Thank you all for the info. Jonah, i will have a read of the the introductory link. Brent, the information i read about the Shaykis was just random searches on google. I cant remember any specific websites but if i come across them again, ill let you know. epierce, the Dawn Breakers you refer to, is...

choogue

Brett, Thankyou so much for your assistance and understanding. I am going to take your advice and read the Kitáb-i-Íqán to start off. My current research was restricted to "google search" where i had many conflicting information which, as you can imagine, really confused me. Again, i really apprecia...

choogue

ok now that the "debate" is out of the way, could someone please recommend a piece of writing that i can read which is of equal value as the Quran, Torah, Bible (that is, contains the teachings, the laws, the history, etc) Please direct me to the correct books so i dont read others that contain any ...

choogue

Thanks Brent. I am hoping to understand the origin of bahai, that is, examine and understand in a timeline manner to determine how it started and how it became what it is today. This is why i am enquiring about the Shaykism faith. I know that the followers of Shaykism were without a leader for about...

choogue

how am i to become enlightened if people fail to assist? I was under the impression that a forum such as this is to provide answers to those who wish to believe. In order to believe, one must question to therefore achieve answers to rid of all contradictions. From what you are saying, im assuming yo...

choogue

Thankyou so much for taking the time to assist me Onepence. And yes i am very keen in studying the Bahai Faith. I was born muslim but my parents believed it was up to me to decide what religion to follow therefore enrolled me into a catholic school where i studied the jewish faith and the christian ...

choogue

i have researched but it doesnt put it as simple as that. Not until i read three websites did i realise that the bab and bahaullah were two different people. So before jumping to conclusions, you should ask me whether i have researched. I have asked these questions to a few Bahai's but they dont qui...

choogue

Quick question.... Is the kitab aqdas classified as the holy book and the writings from shoghi effendi as the interpretations? Also, was the bab the gate to Imam Mehdi and bahaullah believed to be the Mehdi? And another thing, was bahaullah and the bab infallible? If someone could please clarify tho...

choogue

Thanks Jonah. I had a quick read through the articles. From what i gather, Shaykhism is basically derived from Islam where Babis and Bahais were offshoots of shaykhism? Shaykhism believe in the world Hurqalya. Is this the same with Bahais? Therefore, the below paragraph from that article: "The Shayk...

choogue

Hi, I have been browsing this site for awhile now so have decided to become a member. I just recently heard about the Bahai faith from this girl that im seeing and it has really interested me. I am currently a muslim and am very keen to understand and following the bahai religion. My girlfriend has ...

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