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- Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:02 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
- Replies: 16
- Views: 35598
Re: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
In the religious context, the problem works like this: A new prophet comes, take for ?example Jesus to the Jews, and the scholars of the old religious community reject the ?teachings of the new prophet, primarily based on their astute learning and understanding ?of religious traditions and texts. T...
- Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:34 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
Thanks for the quote BW, however this is the quote where Bahaullah mentions about the seal of the prophets. I was hoping to get a quote where Bahaullah talks about verse 33:44 and his interpretation as a coming Manifestation. 33:44 isn't explicitly stated in the verse, but you know He's talking abo...
- Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:26 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: A broad response to many of your interesting threads!
- Replies: 16
- Views: 35598
In terms of religion, a claim isnt enough and certainly changing the interpretations of the Quran is not applicable. This would only lead to various interpretations where anyone can make a claim. One would then need to consider that the Prophet Muhammad(a.s) was not able to understand the interpret...
- Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:18 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
Yes, we finally both agree on something! Here it is: How strange! These people with one hand cling to those verses of the Qur'án and those traditions of the people of certitude which they have found to accord with their inclinations and interests, and with the other reject those which are contrary t...
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:32 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:17 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
- Replies: 48
- Views: 118812
Thanks for pointing that out Abbas. —BW ----- I SWEAR by the most holy Essence of God--exalted and glorified be He--that in the Day of the appearance of Him Whom God shall make manifest a thousand perusals of the Bayán cannot equal the perusal of a single verse to be revealed by Him Whom God shall m...
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:03 pm
- Forum: Non-Baha'i issues
- Topic: I want to make the big money ...
- Replies: 10
- Views: 41519
I hope this can be taken care of soon. There was one post I just deleted, and it had a very explicit picture which I won't even say what it was because of mixed audience. Luckily there was only one 1 view. But I'm checking/deleting as often as I can. It's funny that these perverts don't even realize...
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:25 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
- Replies: 48
- Views: 118812
The Bab was the Forerunner of Baha'u'llah, much like how John the Baptist announced was the coming of Christ. His mission was to get people ready for Baha'u'llah. Most of His laws were very specific. For example one of the Bab's Laws was that you can't eat garlic or onions so that your breath doesn'...
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:21 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:15 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Abdul Baha
- Replies: 16
- Views: 33016
No-one is talking about the Writings except you. As i explained, im saying they are confused about their beliefs. You dont have to argue with everything i say BW. Just try and be a bit more friendly.... ;-) Also, :lol: is in reference with me not being worried. Im a happy guy. What can i say. Abbas...
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:07 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:47 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Abdul Baha
- Replies: 16
- Views: 33016
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:23 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:53 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:31 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
- Replies: 48
- Views: 118812
Re: The Bab's claim to be Qa'im
In the thread which was locked, Bahai Warrior answered my question about the Bab's claim to Qa'im from the selected writings of the Bab .I thank BW. I have some comments and questions: 1.Why haven't many of the books of the Bab been translated into English? the selected writings of the Bab is only ...
- Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:26 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Abdul Baha
- Replies: 16
- Views: 33016
1. Apparently Bahaullah allowed the marriage of two wives, however abdul baha abrogated that law and said marry only one. (I knew this was going to come up). No, I believe Abdu'l-Baha states that what Baha'u'llah said was rhetorical, because marriage is dependent on justice, and you can't show equa...
- Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:36 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: general questions about the prophets
- Replies: 14
- Views: 30700
- Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:51 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: general questions about the prophets
- Replies: 14
- Views: 30700
3. what do you guys think of anti baha'i sites? (like several shia islamic anti baha'i sites.) do you guys read them, or just ignore them? could you rebutt them if you tried? We are told to avoid covenant breaker websites, or websites from enemies of the Baha'i Faith (just to warn you, there are so...
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:20 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:11 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:57 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Abdul Baha
- Replies: 16
- Views: 33016
I havent seen anything but my gf was explaining that Abdul was also a prophet which is why he did change some laws. Not sure which ones. Ill find out though. Hmmm...maybe you need to become a Baha'i and teach your girlfriend about the faith? Well, you can still do it now. He definitely wasn't a Pro...
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:53 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:41 am
- Forum: Non-Baha'i issues
- Topic: I want to make the big money ...
- Replies: 10
- Views: 41519
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:39 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Abdul Baha
- Replies: 16
- Views: 33016
Re: Abdul Baha
Would Abdul Baha be classed as a prophet or just an interpreter? No references please. Just a simple answer would do. An infallible interpreter. I just want to know whether Abdul Baha had the right to change any laws his father placed. No He didn't. And also, He never did that. If you think you fou...
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:35 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:23 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:21 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:17 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
OK cool. So now i understand the concept of a new prophetic cycle and a manifestation of God is a Bahai concept and not mentioned in the Quran and the Bahai's believe the Prophet Muhammad(a.s) was the seal of the Prophets and Messengers. Yeah, kind of like the concept of 'centripetal force' was int...
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:12 am
- Forum: Non-Baha'i issues
- Topic: I want to make the big money ...
- Replies: 10
- Views: 41519
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:10 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: alcohol in home
- Replies: 17
- Views: 31051
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:05 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
Thanks BW. Could you please provide a reference for the readers where the Prophet Muhammad is described as the Manifestation of God in the Quran? Im hoping if i read it from the Quran, i would get a better understanding of the whole Manifestation concept. I never said that the Qur'an says Muhammad ...
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:58 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
Re: "Seal of the Prophets"
Okay, I would like to be clear on this whole thing. I have heard multiple explainations to what this means, and I really think I need an answer. I am thinking of becoming a Bahá'í and this is a major roadblock for me. Zazaban, There's one thing I wanted to add. You're not a Muslim, so I don't know ...
- Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:40 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "Seal of the Prophets"
- Replies: 60
- Views: 111370
- Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:49 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
All i have simply asked is for you to provide ONE Shia Hadith from a Muslim source but you cant. That's your opinion. (See paragraph number five.) You continue claiming that the Hadith provided is enough, however i have given you an appropriate reason why it is not. Again, according to you . The Ha...
- Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:50 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: alcohol in home
- Replies: 17
- Views: 31051
- Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:20 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
- Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:45 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: alcohol in home
- Replies: 17
- Views: 31051
Dear Jo: It's good to see a new user on the forum! :smile: This is an important question that you bring up, as undoubtably there are other Baha'is who deal with the same kind of problem. Maybe you should have a candid talk with your husband and see what made him drift away from the Faith in the firs...
- Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:13 pm
- Forum: Non-Baha'i issues
- Topic: I want to make the big money ...
- Replies: 10
- Views: 41519
- Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:58 am
- Forum: Non-Baha'i issues
- Topic: I want to make the big money ...
- Replies: 10
- Views: 41519
- Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:43 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: "truth" cannot be forced and remain truth
- Replies: 15
- Views: 40730
Re: "TRUTH" CANNOT BE FORCED AND REMAIN TRUTH
Force, coercion, swords, and war are not manifestations of truth and can never spread nor reveal truth. Then you will feel right at home here, as Baha'u'llah has abolished the use of the sword as a means of spreading the Faith. 8-) Neither force nor the dead theory of even the highest religious doc...
- Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:29 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
- Replies: 12
- Views: 26067
- Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:17 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
I have been watching this disscussion, and some of the exchanges have been bordering on attacks. Not really sure what to call it really. Please try to be respectful of people's belief systems, however they justify it. Accusing somebody of picking and chosing does not strike me as respectful. Bt tha...
- Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:12 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
Golha: I believe the Qa'im was the Bab because of the reasons already stated and because I hear the Voice of God in His Words. The Bab fulfills the prophesies contained in the Muslim and Christian scriptures and those of other faiths as well. Humans in general don't like change and possess a deep (a...
- Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:41 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
So, my impression is this: The Bahais are unable to provide an Authentic Hadith from a Shia source, however the evidence provided, only through the Bahai source, is sufficient. Is this what you are trying to say to me?? We are done here Abbas. The discussion has become fruitless, as anyone with ins...
- Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:10 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
Re: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
Dear BH, Please clarify WHO or WHAT is another Relevation and WHY? Hi Golha, I don't exactly get your question. Are you asking what I mean by "Revelation"? By revelation in this context is meant religion. And as to why there will be another Revelation, the answer becomes obvious when one ...
- Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:52 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
- Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:35 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
Anyway, before jumping to conclusions and stating that you have showed many Hadith to verify your claim, please provide me [b]ONE Authentic Shia Hadith from a Muslim source. I have already provided the hadith. I maintain that they are good enough, and there is no reason for me to find more hadith. ...
- Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:07 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
- Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:07 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
Even if there were a totally perfect religion in all respects, which there is not, no imperfect mortal human being could comprehend that total perfection, let alone conform their living, being, speech, and doing to that perfection. What would make you think that God's religion for man for a certain...
- Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:38 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
- Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:31 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
- Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:56 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
Dear Richard: Thanks for you input. It's always appreciated. The main reason I made this post was because many Muslims think their hadith says that the Qa'im will merely re-establish Islam—that is, return it to its previous glory, etc. (Many Christians also fall victim to similar myths concerning Ch...
- Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:09 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 62282
Muslims—Will the Qa'im OVERTURN Islam?
I was looking through some of Imam Ali's sermons. This is related to a discussion I was having with our Muslim friend Abbas. Here is the Commander of the Faithful, Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, telling Muslims that there will come a time when their religion will be "capsized," or overturned; tha...
- Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:17 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 39719
- Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:06 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 39719
Abbas, Just to let you know about the above hadith. They are from Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Nisapuri, and these hadith are very well-respected Sunni hadith, but Shi'as also believe in them. Notice that on the Day of Ressurection, God will come down to earth, BUT in His own form, and all bu...
- Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:50 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Race, Racism, and "intellectual" vs spiritual pers
- Replies: 5
- Views: 16291
For example, for you to claim, or suggest, that the Baha'i religion and its followers are perfect, infallible, is quite problematic in terms of relating to those who know we are fallible and imperfect. I never said that. In fact, I have stated quite the opposite. Nothing below God is as Perfect as ...
- Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:42 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 39719
something you might want to read: Chapter 81: THE WAY IN WHICH THE BELIEVERS WOULD SEE THE LORD Chapter 81: THE WAY IN WHICH THE BELIEVERS WOULD SEE THE LORD Book 001, Number 0349: Abu Haraira reported: The people said to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him): Messenger of Allah, shall we s...
- Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:36 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
- Replies: 12
- Views: 26067
This is what im telling you. I have done my research and not only through friends. I have made every attempt possible yet no luck. I have spoken to numerous people who actually speak Arabic and fluent in Islam yet they still have not heard about this. The only place where i find this is on the Baha...
- Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:41 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
- Replies: 12
- Views: 26067
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Yes you are repeating yourself many times just as i am. I wanted to know which Hadith say this and i stated that the "Avalim" you had previously presented is not heard of by any Muslims. So your responses have not answered my questions since to the knowledge of all the Muslims i have aske...
- Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:04 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
- Replies: 12
- Views: 26067
- Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:00 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
- Replies: 12
- Views: 26067
- Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:24 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Race, Racism, and "intellectual" vs spiritual pers
- Replies: 5
- Views: 16291
We are not blind to the fact that religion often acts unwisely, even irreligiously, but it acts. Aberrations of religious conviction have led to bloody persecutions, but always and ever religion does something; it is dynamic! Richard, I used to agree with you more before you starting your campaign ...
- Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:05 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
- Replies: 12
- Views: 26067
Why people become Bahá'í and the Madhist sects
I think many people, be they Muslim, Christian, or whatever their religion, become Baha'is for different reasons. Some choose to become Baha'is because when they read the Words of Baha'u'llah, they hear the same Voice of God as in the Qur'an or the Bible. And sometimes it's because of proofs, and ot...
- Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:45 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Race, Racism, and "intellectual" vs spiritual pers
- Replies: 5
- Views: 16291
Re: my view
Richard said: "BW, you misread and misinterpreted my words. There are obvious tendencies for cultural, religious, and physical differences between races, but I never said this extended to intellectual differences. My point was that all individuals, regardless of race have more differences in al...
- Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:32 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Muslim to Bahai?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 39719
- Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:54 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Race, Racism, and "intellectual" vs spiritual pers
- Replies: 5
- Views: 16291
For those concerned about questions regarding race, and racism, i suggest the realization that not only are there differences between races, but all of us because each and every one us is uniquely different, which does not mean that any person, race, or group is seen as spiritually unequal in the e...
- Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:15 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Intorduction of Bab's 1st Book & a crucial question
- Replies: 4
- Views: 14297
Also, the Bab clearly explained in His later writings that He first put out that He was a Bab of the 12th Imam so that the people would not object to, reject and turn away from that for which they were created to recognize. Just cause He said that He was from the 12th Imam doesn't mean we can accep...
- Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:10 am
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Imam Husayn.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 12968
Re: Imam Husayn.
Zazaban wrote:I meant "prophet" with a small p.
Same thing...
- Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:21 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Imam Husayn.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 12968
- Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:13 pm
- Forum: Discussion
- Topic: Thoughts on real, obtainable experiences of spiritual unity
- Replies: 20
- Views: 46673
We Baha'is don't have hadith or tradition, but that doesn't mean we reject the hadith in Islam (the ones that aren't fabricated are likely to not be in conflict with others). In fact, Baha'u'llah, 'Abdu'l-Baha, and the Bab all refer to hadith countless times—that is how important the hadith are. And...