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Next Manifestation of God

Postby Pouria_19 » Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:50 am

These are other points to be noted when contemplating on the revelation of the next Manifestation of God.
The following is to be noted in complementary to the post of Omid Townsend.



As already established before in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas (¶37):
 "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying imposter. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repend, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his errror, God will assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things..."
-The next Manifestation of God will not come for another 1000.
 Although the Most Holy Book was revealed in 1873 (therefore the next manifestation due to come down at least at 2873 AD), this is a reference to the Greater Covenant of God. Therefore, it can, also, be taken into consideration that Bahá'u'lláh had his hidden intimation in the Síyáh-Chál from October 16-28 1852, and so the next manifestation not being due until 2852. Bahá'u'lláh also declared, privately, in the garden of Ridván (Geographically the same place as the garden of Eden) in April 21, 1863. So another option is that another manifestation won't come at least until 2863. These datings are in significant for the daily overall study, but is good to be contemplated on.

Scattered in His Writings, Bahá'u'lláh, repeatedly, reveales the phrase:
 "He doeth, whatsoever He willeth, and ordaineth what he desireth."
(the latter of the passage has varying wording)
-It can be debated that, this passage alone, can 'over-rule' the passage in the Most Holy Book. Because it can establish that if God wills it, he can reveal his Manifestation at any time he willeth. But it does not coencide with the fact that God will punish him who is a false prophet. This fact is astounding.

In the Kitáb-i-Íqán, Bahá'u'lláh reveals:
 "Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified person of His chosen Ones... And whensoever the prtals of grade did open, and the clouds of divine bounty did rain upon mankind, the light of the Unseen did shine above the horizon of celestial might, they all denied Him, and turned away from His face-the face of God Himself. "(KI, p.4)
-This is passage can also be debated to be a prediction of the future. It can prophecise that the next manifestation can, too be rejected, but this is not to be mistaken to include the Universal House of Justice. In other places, in both the Íqán and other scriptures, (which I am still looking for) there are proofs that the next manifestation of God will be rejected by the outwardly learned. This argument can also be aided by the passage, "He doeth whatsoever He willeth" because it can be a test for the outwardly learned not to be so direct in the verses. But this can also be strongly argued against, for the Aqdas reveals, "Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning..."

Some other ideas to take into consideration:
-The next Manifestation of God may be female (because prior to the revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, there was no equality)
-He/She may reveal Him/Herself at a much younger age
-The Universal House of Justice is divinely guided, therefore it will acknowledge when the next Manifestation of God has come
-There will be false prophets (I am still in the proccess of finding proofs from the Writings

These are just some things to think about. It should, under no circumstances be taken up as anyway authoritative, because all the thoughts composed are my own.

H.

Postby H. » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:25 am

Please see "The next prophet" in the other topic
Thanks,
H.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby shadbakht » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:53 pm

I see that "the next prophet" thread is closed, so I'll post here.
I just wanted to ask a question. I've heard that there's a quote from Bahá'u'lláh mentioning He has already wept for the next Manifestation of God.
Does anyone recall or know the source?
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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby brettz9 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:05 am

Were you thinking of one of these:

"I am not apprehensive for My own self," Bahá'u'lláh still more explicitly declares, "My fears are for Him Who will be sent down unto you after Me--Him Who will be invested with great sovereignty and mighty dominion." And again He writes in the Súratu'l-Haykal: "By those words which I have revealed, Myself is not intended, but rather He Who will come after Me. To it is witness God, the All-Knowing." "Deal not with Him," He adds, "as ye have dealt with Me."

(Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 117)


For more quotations on the Next Manifestation, see http://bahai9.com/wiki/Him_Who_will_be_ ... u_after_Me

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby shadbakht » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:18 am

Thank you dear Brett,
I do know that one, which is very similar to the one I'm thinking of. That's not the one, though.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby iranpour » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:14 am

Our friend Pouria_19 has written:
Scattered in His Writings, Bahá'u'lláh, repeatedly, reveales the phrase:
"He doeth, whatsoever He willeth, and ordaineth what he desireth."
(the latter of the passage has varying wording)
-It can be debated that, this passage alone, can 'over-rule' the passage in the Most Holy Book. Because it can establish that if God wills it, he can reveal his Manifestation at any time he willeth. But it does not coencide with the fact that God will punish him who is a false prophet. This fact is astounding.


I have to say that the following words of Baha’u’llah in the Kitab-i-Iqan has not mentioned in this discussion, Who appointed the date about a thousand year:

“Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and re-adorned. …. That city is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation”. (Kitab-i-Iqan p. 219)

The word “about” which has revealed from the Pen of Glory as certified by the Persian text of the Iqan and defined by dictionary as “approximately, at a time near to,close to”, must be before or after, but very close to a thousand year.

I suggest that the next Manifestation would appear 983 years after the inauguration of the Baha'i Era (B.E). And as Baha’u’llah received the first intimation of His world Mission on 1852 and His Formal or Public Declaration was on 1863, there would be two options:

A: 1863-1844=19 983+19=1002 years after the Open Declaration, on 2865 A.D.

B: 1852-1844=8 983+8=991 years after the intimate Declaration, on 2835 A.D.

If you ask where did I found the number 983, it is the numeral number of one of the Baha'i texts by the Abjad Notation.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby brettz9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:35 am

Hello,

According to the notes of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, the reckoning will be from 1852:

"The intimation of His Revelation to Bahá'u'lláh in the Síyáh-Chál of Tihrán, in October 1852, marks the birth of His Prophetic Mission and hence the commencement of the one thousand years or more that must elapse before the appearance of the next Manifestation of God."

(Notes to the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, note 62)


The same note also mentions:

"The Dispensation of Bahá'u'lláh will last until the coming of the next Manifestation of God, Whose advent will not take place before at least "a full thousand years" will have elapsed. Bahá'u'lláh cautions against ascribing to "this verse" anything other than its "obvious meaning", and in one of His Tablets, He specifies that "each year" of this thousand year period consists of "twelve months according to the Qur'án, and of nineteen months of nineteen days each, according to the Bayán".
'Abdu'l-Baha underscores the obviousness of the "years" again with "years known and clearly established by common usage and requiring no interpretation".

Note also from the above and from the text of the Aqdas, that it must at least be a "full" thousand years (with Shoghi Effendi restating it as "at least one thousand years", and Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice further underscoring it as "no less than a thousand years").

The only "wiggle room" is the puzzling statement, "twelve months according to the Qur'án, and of nineteen months of nineteen days each, according to the Bayán" which would suggest to me that it could either be based on a lunar calendar or solar, so I think it could end up to your supposition of 983.

Anyways, it will not be in our lifetime...

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:53 pm

Thanks brettz9 for sharing that quote from the Kitab-i-Aqdas. I was going to if no one else did. A few years ago I did the math from the Siyah-Chal period (late summer-early autumn of 1852) and it came to 2269 A.H. in the Muslim calendar for 1000 lunar years, which is 2823 A.D. So we are only three years away from the 800 year mark.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby Hasan » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:26 am

Chad wrote:Thanks brettz9 for sharing that quote from the Kitab-i-Aqdas. I was going to if no one else did. A few years ago I did the math from the Siyah-Chal period (late summer-early autumn of 1852) and it came to 2269 A.H. in the Muslim calendar for 1000 lunar years, which is 2823 A.D. So we are only three years away from the 800 year mark.


Hi Chad, here are three important dates, see the lunar months Dhul Qada and Muharram, dates of Birth, Revelation, Declaration and Ascension are relevant :
1000 solar years from 15 October 1852 A.D., 2 Muharram 1269 A.H., 1 Ilm 9 B.E.
1000 lunar years from 29 May 1892 A.D., 2 Dhul Qada 1309 A.H., 13 Azamat 49 B.E.
1000 solar years from 21 April 1863 A.D., 2 Dhul Qada 1279 A.H., 13 Jalal 20 B.E.

Adding those 1000 years:
to 15 October 2852 A.D., 10 Ramadan 2299 A.H., 1 Ilm 1009 B.E.
to 18 August 2862 A.D., 2 Dhul Qada 2309 A.H., 19 Kamal 1019 B.E.
to 21 April 2863 A.D., 11 Rajab 2310 A.H., 13 Jalal 1020 B.E.

Adding those 1000 years using the original lunar months of Muharram or Dhul Qada but inside the Bahá'í year:
to 2 February 2853 A.D., 2 Muharram 2300 A.H., 13 Sultan 1009 B.E.
to 18 August 2862 A.D., 2 Dhul Qada 2309 A.H., 19 Kamal 1019 B.E.
to 8 August 2863 A.D., 2 Dhul Qada 2310 A.H., 8 Kamal 1020 B.E.

The extremes dates of this calculation are 1009 E.B. to 1020 E.B. or 2299 A.H. to 2310 A.H. or 2852 to 2863.

From those dates it is clear for me these:
Her birth will be possibly in 2299 or 2300 D.H. from October 2852 to February 2853 in the year nine 1009 B.E. look at the new moon.
The most clear date is 2 Dhul Qada 2309 A.H. which is 19 Kamal 1019 B.E. or 18 August 2862 A.D., this could be the date of Her revelation from God or Her declaration, we are talking about a girl of 9 years of age in 1019 B.E. and 10 years of age in 1020 B.E. She will probably wait 5 more years to declare Her Mission to reach the formal age of maturity so it will be less shocking to people.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:34 pm

Hasan, you used two dates which do not apply to the 1000 years, namely 1892 and 1863. It clearly states in the KitabiAqdas that the date used is in the SihyaShal in early Autumn of 1852. Thus, the 1000 lunar or 1000 solar only applies to Autumn 1852. Wherein checking http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/ it would be 2852AD/2299AH or 2269AH/2823AD.

It is good that Baha'is are having this discussion now to clarify this important date

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby Hasan » Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:07 pm

Chad wrote:Hasan, you used two dates which do not apply to the 1000 years, namely 1892 and 1863. It clearly states in the KitabiAqdas that the date used is in the SihyaShal in early Autumn of 1852. Thus, the 1000 lunar or 1000 solar only applies to Autumn 1852. Wherein checking http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/ it would be 2852AD/2299AH or 2269AH/2823AD.

It is good that Baha'is are having this discussion now to clarify this important date


Chad, the only way to harmonize the 1000 years according to solar years and lunar years is counting 1000 solar years from 1852 and counting 1000 lunar years from 1892.

According to my knowledge and intuition, all the prophetic dates should be counted according to the lunar day. So, although, you add 1000 solar years from 1852, you take into account the lunar day which in this case is always the second day of Muharram. And if you take into account 1892 and add 1000 lunar years, then the day is the second day of Dhul Qa'da. This is because you need to count the lunar months also.

It is important to count lunar months because the Bahá'í Calendar is made of cycles of 19 solar years which is a Metonic cycle in which there are exactly 235 lunar months.

Look at these two quotes from the Guardian in God Passes By:
Unique and stupendous as was this Proclamation, it proved to be but a prelude to a still mightier revelation of the creative power of its Author, and to what may well rank as the most signal act of His ministry—the promulgation of the Kitáb-i-Aqdas. Alluded to in the Kitáb-Íqán; the principal repository of that Law which the Prophet Isaiah had anticipated, and which the writer of the Apocalypse had described as the “new heaven” and the “new earth,” as “the Tabernacle of God,” as the “Holy City,” as the “Bride,” the “New Jerusalem coming down from God,” this “Most Holy Book,” whose provisions must remain inviolate for no less than a thousand years, and whose system will embrace the entire planet, may well be regarded as the brightest emanation of the mind of Bahá’u’lláh, as the Mother Book of His Dispensation, and the Charter of His New World Order.
And:
The Sun of Truth, the world’s greatest Luminary, had risen in the Síyáh-Chál of Ṭihrán, had broken through the clouds which enveloped it in Bagháad, had suffered a momentary eclipse whilst mounting to its zenith in Adrianople and had set finally in ‘Akká, never to reappear ere the lapse of a full millenium.

So, from 16 October 1852 (lunar Birthday number 36 of Bahá'u'lláh and the moment He received His Revelation in the Black Pit of Tehran), you add 1000 solar years but take into account the lunar day, this was the 2nd of Muharram.

And from 29 May 1892 (Ascension of Bahá'u'lláh) you add 1000 lunar years. The 2nd of Dhul Qa'da was the day of Bahá'u'lláh's intimate proclamation in Baghdad and also the day of His Ascension exactly 30 lunar years after.

So, adding 1000 solar years to 1852 leads to 15 October 2852 A.D., 10 Ramadan 2299 A.H., 1 Ilm 1009 B.E., but remember the important lunar day here is 2nd Muharram which is to 2 February 2853 A.D., 2 Muharram 2300 A.H., 13 Sultan 1009 B.E.

Now, adding 1000 solar years to 1863 leads to 21 April 2863 A.D., 11 Rajab 2310 A.H., 13 Jalal 1020 B.E. but taking into account the lunar day leads to the previous lunar year which is 18 August 2862 A.D., 2 Dhul Qa'da 2309 A.H., this is exactly 1000 lunar years after Bahá'u'lláh's Ascension. The first time Bahá'u'lláh announced the 1000 years prophecy was here in Baghdad in the Garden of Rezvan, so this date is important.

Now, adding 1000 lunar years to 1892 leads to 18 August 2862 A.D., 2 Dhul Qa'da 2309 A.H., 19 Kamal 1019 B.E. the same date as before.

All these dates are interesting, the Bahá'í years 1009 and 1019 stand out greatly. That is why I believe that the next Prophet or Manifestation of God will be very young when She will receive revelation from God, perhaps 9 or 10 years old, and probably She will announce Her mission 4 or 5 years later reaching the socially acceptable age of maturity.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby Hasan » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:18 pm

Hi, I made an Excel about this, the image is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgnttsf3bsj8w ... t.png?dl=0

Naw-Ruz B.E. A.D. min A.D. max A.H. min A.H. max
9 21/03/1852 20/03/1853 29/05/1268 09/06/1269
20 21/03/1863 20/03/1864 30/09/1279 11/10/1280
49 21/03/1892 20/03/1893 21/08/1309 02/09/1310

Naw-Ruz B.E. A.D. min A.D. max A.H. min A.H. max
1009 21/03/2852 20/03/2853 08/02/2299 18/02/2300
1020 21/03/2863 20/03/2864 09/06/2310 20/06/2311
1019 21/03/2862 20/03/2863 29/05/2309 08/06/2310

2nd Muharram 2nd Dhu al Q`ada A.D. Muharram A.D. Dhu al-Qada Inside Year B.E.
02/01/1269 02/11/1269 16/10/1852 07/08/1853 9
02/01/1279 02/11/1279 30/06/1862 21/04/1863 20
02/01/1309 02/11/1309 08/08/1891 29/05/1892 49

2nd Muharram 2nd Dhu al Q`ada A.D. Muharram A.D. Dhu al-Qada Inside Year B.E.
02/01/2300 02/11/2300 02/02/2853 24/11/2853 1009
02/01/2310 02/11/2310 17/10/2862 08/08/2863 1020
02/01/2309 02/11/2309 27/10/2861 18/08/2862 1019

The difference is 1000 solar years or 1031 lunar years from 02/01/1269 A.H. to 02/01/2300 A.H.
The difference is 1000 solar years or 1031 lunar years from 02/11/1279 A.H. to 02/11/2310 A.H.
The difference is 970 solar years or 1000 lunar years from 02/11/1309 A.H. to 02/11/2309 A.H.

The Bahá'í years 1009 B.E., 1019 B.E. and 1020 B.E. are highly relevant.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:44 am

Where do you get Baha'u'llah's ascension marking the 1000 year period, this is innovation and not in the Writings. Both the lunar and solar years are to be counted from the period of the Siyah-Chal.
On another note, I dreamed that I was talking about the end times in a dream and gave the year 3319 AD. I did some calculating of the Buddhist calendar and 2823 AD +543 or +544 years gives 3366 or 3367 in the Buddhist calendar for the next Millennium.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:24 am

62. Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years ¶37

The Dispensation of Bahá’u’lláh will last until the coming of the next Manifestation of God, Whose advent will not take place before at least “a full thousand years” will have elapsed. Bahá’u’lláh cautions against ascribing to “this verse” anything other than its “obvious meaning,” and in one of His Tablets, He specifies that “each year” of this thousand year period consists of “twelve months according to the Qur’án, and of nineteen months of nineteen days each, according to the Bayán.”

The intimation of His Revelation to Bahá’u’lláh in the Síyáh-Chál of Ṭihrán, in October 1852, marks the birth of His Prophetic Mission and hence the commencement of the one thousand years or more that must elapse before the appearance of the next Manifestation of God.

~KitabiAqdas

Hasan, I believe right now you are deviating from the obvious meaning of the 1000 lunar or solar years starting in October of 1852 by saying the 1000 lunar years begin at the Ascension of Baha'u'llah.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby Hasan » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:22 am

The 1st of Muharram 1269 A.H. is the starting date to count the 1000 years, that is clear, but those 1000 years are solar years, not lunar years.

I believe the revelation from God (first intimation) or the proclamation of the next Manifestation of God (or both) will take place in a range of years from the 1st of Muharram 2300 A.H. to the 2nd Dhu al Qadah 2319 A.H.

I believe the next Manifestation of God will be a woman, and She will receive the revelation from God as a child. This will shock people and will cause the rejection of Her station and mission but after a little season or short time (for me, that is a Metonic cycle, 19 solar years (vahid) or 235 synodic months) predicted by John of Patmos in his book Revelation or Apocalypse 20:3, people will accept Her as the new Manifestation of God.

Also, it is clear to me that "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years" is not about 2000 years, 5000 years, 10000 years or more, not even 1100 years.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:30 am

Hasan, it is easy for a Bahai to see how a Messenger may come in the future and add new and interesting things as well as bring up things that have happened before.

I too believe that the 1000 years will come around like clockwork, and not in say 1100 years. Moreover, it could be a woman, and the Messenger could get get a glimpse of their Station as a child. In fact, it is most likely that they will display their breadth of intelligence as a child.

However, Baha'u'llah stated that all of the Gospel's prophecies have already been fulfilled. You can find this is God Passes By, and below:
To Queen Victoria He, during that same period, addressed an Epistle in which He calls upon her to incline her ear to the voice of her Lord, the Lord of all mankind; bids her “cast away all that is on earth,” and set her heart towards her Lord, the Ancient of Days; asserts that “all that hath been mentioned in the Gospel hath been fulfilled”

Therefore, any reference to the Gospel when approaching the Next Manifestation should be treated as signs that could happen due to the reinvention of a cycle, but are not proclaimed must happen.

Hasan, you are directly defying the Bahai Revelation by asserting that the 1000 years, both lunar and solar, do not begin around October of 1852 AD. Whether this is exactly the 1st Muharram 1269 AH, we do not, and cannot know. However, I do think you are correct because Shia Hadith states that the Mahdi will return in an even and not an odd year, which would give light to the succession of Muhammad, the Bab, Baha'u'llah, and the Next Manifestation. In other words, it wouldn't confuse the Next Manifestation with the Bab.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:56 pm

Hasan,
However, I think you are right where you are headed with your Biblical interpretation. Because the next Manifestation could renew older books and leave newer ones (like the Bab and Baha'u'llah's) to the dust, so to speak. For each Manifestation, through direct inspiration with a new Covenant, can affirm or deny any truth from any age. This is upheld by the Bab at least, as far as I remember. Also, I think that the next Manifestation will once again send humanity back to all of Scripture, and not just the one upheld by Allah'u'Abha. They will be One with all previous and future Manifestations. However, to uphold your own interpretation despite Baha'u'llah's creative word for this age, would be to deny Baha'u'llah, for this age. Thus, the truth of the next Messenger (like the Maiden), is hidden in Allah'u'Abha's texts until the time is ripe for such truths to be told. Just because many wish to know the future truths, doesn't mean my neighbor with a rebel flag will be able to handle them yet.

I've legally changed my name to Michael Chase, and will open up a new account in that name. Cheers!

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:46 pm

What is interesting is that "maiden" or "virgin" in Arabic is spelled ayn-dahl-ra-alif-hamza. This, in common Ahdjad, is the number 2824 (70,700,200,1,1; added to 1852), just one year off from the 2823 AD/2269 AH date!!!

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:20 pm

If you add up all the integers of the main body of the Kitab-i-Aqdas: 63-1's, 10-2's, 5-3's, 3-4's, 7-5's, 3-6's, 2-7's, 1-8, 5-9's, 1-18, 5-19's, 1-20, 2-40's, 1-60, 2-80's, 3-90's, 9-100's, and 1-1000 it comes to 2833.

Then subtract from the 63 "one's" those which are denoted for the "disbeliever" or dirty respects, as well as subtract the two "oneness" since those aren't integers, it comes to 2824!
These are the nine subtractions from 2833:
"renounce them one and all"
"one of three respects"
"petty one!"
"O rejected One!"
"heedless one"
"only one party"
"lost ones"
"oneness of God"
"Transcendent oneness"

You can check on the search bar at bahai.org. It works better to search by "location" in the Book instead of by "relevance".

...So i did a recheck and there are 62 "one"'s without the onenesses, which is 2832. And taking out:
"lost ones"
"heedless one"
"rejected one"
"one of three respects"
"petty one"
"not one letter"
"renounce them one and all" brings it down to 2825. But "only one party" seems like it should fit because it is about a believer. But if I take out "one who discovereth" which is about finding hidden meaning in the Words of God, then it comes to 2824 AD, which is 1001 lunar years after 1852 AD.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:24 pm

Adding all the integers of The Seven Valleys, not including the title, there are 45-1's, 2-2's, 2-3's, 5-4's, 7-7's, 2-10's, 1-70, 3-100's, and 6-1000's, which adds up to 6514, which made into the Hebrew calendar year is 2754 AD, which is exactly 70 years before 2824 AD.
The number "seventy" has some interesting meanings in this paper: https://bahai-library.com/pdf/m/momen_s ... graphy.pdf

Also this quote comes from bahai-library.com: It said, `The head of the seventy hath been adorned with the crown of the forty and been united with the seven before the ten'.." (La'āli, 3:217; prov. trans. Lambden)

Seeing that the age 40, the age of responsibility, is very important in Islam: https://www.masjidtucson.org/submission ... eof40.html. There are also Hadiths in Al-Kafi as to the age of 40.

It seems that those who enter into the year 2514 AD will come to "responsibility" for the next Manifestation, the seventy years of which could seem like hell-fire (read the quotes about seventy in the first link).

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:17 pm

In The Hidden Words the integers add up to 37, minus 7 which are "bad" gives 30. Surah 30 or the Quran only has one integer "ten", which again gives 40.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:42 pm

Gems of Divine Mysteries, the integers add to 112. Subtract the 6 "bad" 1's and it adds to 106. 1+0+6=7.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:29 am

I found this: https://bahai-library.com/lomax_number_nineteen_quran and realized that whatever number I find, I will try to produce more of that kind of number no matter what additional calculations are needed. Thus, having a miracle number in God's Revelation is very questionable. However, Abjad is still used in Babi and Baha'i Revelation.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:48 am

1. As I have mustered some desire along life's river to peruse the Arabic Kitab-i-Iqan,
2. making notes of where the Quranic quotes match up to the English translation, AND,
3, finding out that "Baha" is probably the most common word in the Quran of all the Baha'i month names,
4. I've realized that baha was a word that is used for both good and evil in the Quran, and usually as an "it";
5. I see that in the "Tablet of the Wondrous Maiden", in the final few verses, that the One to come will be "mighty and bounteous", that the spirit of the Maiden will consummate at that time, and we will fully know Her. That that One will be so mighty as to put all the world at that time into the circle of Their navel, so to speak.

Moreover, the spirit of death that follows the spirit of prophecy, evokes that attitude that all the Baha'i Revelation only points to Baha'u'llah, 'Abdu'l-Baha, Shoghi Effendi, or their family members living in the 1800's and 1900's.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:10 pm

From Days of Remembrance:
“By God! I am the Maid of Heaven, abiding in the midmost heart of
Paradise, hidden behind the veil of the All-Merciful and concealed
from the eyes of men. From time immemorial I remained shrouded in
the veil of sanctity beneath the Tabernacle of Grandeur.


People awaiting "the Maiden" are awaiting the mercy of the Almighty.

From the same Book:
Upon His face was a veil woven by the fingers of might and power. Rejoice! This is the immortal Youth, come with a mighty name.


Each Prophet must appear with a veil, the veil that keeps mankind from seeing the full "crown" of the Manifestation. And even though this may be obvious, this 'veil' also contains the secret of the Next One:
Upon His right cheek was a mark whose sight caused every man of understanding to waver in his faith. And they that dwell behind the veil of the Unseen exclaimed: “Rejoice! This is the immortal Youth, come with a mighty secret.”


The Maiden is much, but is:
that Law which the Prophet Isaiah had anticipated, and which the writer of the Apocalypse had described as the “new heaven” and the “new earth,” as “the Tabernacle of God,” as the “Holy City,” as the “Bride,” the “New Jerusalem coming down from God,” this “Most Holy Book,”

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:31 pm

What comes to mind is the descent of the Holy Spirit in the first chapter of the Book of Acts, and this quote of Baha'u'llah reads with it:
Perchance a steel-sharp pen will emerge from the realm of
eternity, rend the veils asunder, and reveal these secrets
with perfect truth and absolute sincerity; or haply an
eloquent tongue will speak and bring forth the pearls of
the spirit from the shell of silence.


In one sense, it means the Prophet to come, and in another sense it means those enlightened peoples who can illumine the realms of knowledge in every age.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:49 pm

It can already be discerned that Baha'is of the late 29th century AD will start to say "Baha'u'llah has already revealed everything" just as His own words testify (but to believers it is only for a time):
By God! The veils have been burned away, the clouds have been rent asunder, the signs have been revealed and the allusions unravelled by Him Whose might is equal to all things.


And how potent is the 4th Chapter of the Baghavad-Gita to testify against them! Baha'u'llah, too, testifies against them:
They that dispute, as prompted by their desires, are indeed wrapped in a palpable veil.


He continues:
He Who, through the might and power of God, hath arisen before the face of all the kindreds of the earth, and summoned the multitudes to the Supreme Horizon, hath been repudiated by them and they have clung instead unto such men as have invariably withdrawn themselves behind veils and curtains, and busied themselves about their own protection.


No matter how large of small in numbers the peoples of the Baha'i Faith will be in 2824 AD, they will have our own souls, who lived now, as a heritage. In whatever way we each manifested the Cause of God, to our capacity, it will be like they are afraid from seeing the Almighty's Revelation in a whole new way.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:07 pm

But how can a Baha'i people, who have in their grasp the Kitab-i-Iqan, with words such as:
Because of thee the Veil of Divinity was rent asunder, and the
Ark has foundered, and the She-Camel was hamstrung, and the
Spirit (Jesus) groaned in His sublime retreat.

possibly deny the One Who can come in 2270 AH?

Therefore, the Baha'i Faith will have to manifest as Hinduism has manifested by "accepting" the Manifestation, but not submitting to the new Law and thinking with the new Word, inasmuch as He saith:
This Revelation is exalted above the veils of plurality and the exigencies of number.

No, what we should be studying is why the Hindu peoples of India denied the Buddha.

For Baha'is know that a Prophet or Manifestation may pronounce a new Covenant by a single Word, and speak or write no more than this. Then, by Their walking life, they would manifest the Might and Grace.

As Blessed Beauty would say:
Judge fairly, O ignorant one that hath been shut out as by a veil from God.

Or remind us:
This is not the first time that such iniquity hath been
perpetrated, nor the first goblet that hath been dashed to the
ground, nor the first veil that hath been rent in twain in the
path of God, the Lord of the worlds.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:38 pm

We don't know circa 2824 AD how many noble and pure souls will still hold to the cry "Jesus will come soon", or the holy souls who will confine themselves to "Muhammad is the Final Prophet", or the Baha'is who say "I like Baha'u'llah's Covenant better".

But, more to this point:
“Beware, beware lest, in the days of His Revelation, the Váḥid of the Bayán (eighteen Letters of the Living) shut thee out as by a veil from Him, inasmuch as this Váḥid is but a creature in His sight. And beware, beware that the words sent down in the Bayán shut thee not out as by a veil from Him.”


Meaning any Word established can be marked as false, whereby every "follower of the Book" hath become "dazzled" in sight.

Whereby Baha'u'llah warns the followers of the previous Revelation:
“Suffer not yourselves to be shut out as by a veil from God after He hath revealed Himself. For all that hath been exalted in the Bayán is but as a ring upon My hand, and I Myself am, verily, but a ring upon the hand of Him Whom God shall make manifest—glorified be His mention!


The masses will not turn away from the next Prophet except inasmuch as the leaders of that Century do:
A few unfair ones, however, have become a veil, and an insurmountable barrier, and debarred the people from turning towards the lights of His Countenance.

This is how the earth has worked from the beginning of creation, and who am I to say that a new type of cycle could begin, which people of the 21st century have not a wind.

What if the "Golden Age" of the Faith is not outwardly manifest in 2824 AD? Will Baha'is say, "how can another come when the Golden Age has not dawned?, inasmuch as the leaders of the world were averse to it.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:48 pm

Yet there is 'envy' to speak of. How many will test their knowledge against the next Prophet's thinking themselves as having a greater will or greater bounties?
Yea, desperate is the state of such as have calumniated Me and envied Me.


Whatever happen will be the Almighty's Will:
Strive then, O My brother, to apprehend this matter, that the veils may be lifted from the face of thy heart and that thou mayest be reckoned among them whom God hath graced with such penetrating vision as to behold the most subtle realities of His dominion, to fathom the mysteries of His kingdom, to perceive the signs of His transcendent Essence in this mortal world, and to attain a station wherein one seeth no distinction amongst His creatures and findeth no flaw in the creation of the heavens and the earth.


Love, unity, fellowship! The followers of the next Prophet will be as spiritual guides for the planet, whether they are outwardly learned in schools, or have delved into the fields of self-learning or not.
Bereft, however, of the essence of the mysteries of His wisdom, which We have imparted unto thee beneath the veils of these blessed and soul-stirring words, thou wouldst fail to attain unto even a sprinkling of the oceans of divine knowledge or the crystal streams of divine power, and wouldst be recorded in the Mother Book, through the Pen of oneness and by the Finger of God, amongst the ignorant.


Finally: Whatever religion or atheism anyone lives by:
The Daystar of Truth that shineth in its meridian splendor beareth Us witness! They who are the people of God have no ambition except to revive the world, to ennoble its life, and regenerate its peoples. Truthfulness and goodwill have, at all times, marked their relations with all men. Their outward conduct is but a reflection of their inward life, and their inward life a mirror of their outward conduct. No veil hideth or obscureth the verities on which their Faith is established. Before the eyes of all men these verities have been laid bare, and can be unmistakably recognized. Their very acts attest the truth of these words.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:24 pm

Think about this statement of the Blessed Beauty:
Were these men, therefore, to discover suddenly that a Man, Who hath been living in their midst, Who, with respect to every human limitation hath been their equal, had risen to abolish every established principle imposed by their Faith—principles by which for centuries they have been disciplined, and every opposer and denier of which they have come to regard as infidel, profligate and wicked—they would of a certainty be veiled and hindered from acknowledging His truth. Such things are as “clouds” that veil the eyes of those whose inner being hath not tasted the Salsabíl of detachment, nor drunk from the Kawthar of the knowledge of God.


This would seem to deny the fact that outwardly a Prophet is any different than any other being.

Therefore:
It behooveth us, therefore, to make the utmost endeavor, that,
by God’s invisible assistance, these dark veils, these clouds
of Heaven-sent trials, may not hinder us from beholding the
beauty of His shining Countenance, and that we may recognize
Him only by His own Self.

Then what is that "Self"? Is it the ear or the tongue that calls us to a straight path which cannot be subverted?
It's a question I'm posing. Maybe it's different for every person. Just as a Lorentz transformation is needed to tell how two observers are moving in a metric space, so too is every mind, heart, and soul coming to these and other words from a totally different past.

It's potent here:
Their falsity hath, in some cases, been exposed when the intervening veils were rent asunder.


Whether the other person or I come to an outward unity or not:
It is clear and evident that when the veils that conceal the realities of the manifestations of the Names and Attributes of God, nay of all created things visible or invisible, have been rent asunder, nothing except the Sign of God will remain—a sign which He, Himself, hath placed within these realities.

Thus, there is a place for the doubter as there is a place for the affirmed. WHerefore, the Baha'i sees:
Indeed, his words were true; for he had found many a secret justice in this seeming tyranny of the watchman, and had seen how many a mercy lay hid behind the veil.
and:
For he hath burnt away all veils with a sigh, and cast aside all coverings with a glance.

Once again, I greet and say farewell the reader, for now the Great Spirit has fixed my mind to a point, and it can move no more:
It is the concern of the True One to reveal, and the concern of men to spread what hath been revealed. He will, verily, promulgate His Cause by the hands of His scattering and well-favoured angels. Spiritual souls will assuredly emerge from behind the veil of divine protection who will gather together the tokens and verses of God and put them into the most excellent order. This is His sure and irrevocable decree.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:17 am

It is very easy to tell a Manifestation or true Prophet from all the rest of guides, gurus, seers, saints, mystics, and prophets: the Manifestation will attest that their words are from the exact Source of all previous Revelations, and will have, for some, the power to prove such a testimony (or the full power to prove to everyone if they wanted to). No other person has done this, that I know of, since Baha'u'llah.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:48 am

I think that Bahais will know that the Next Avatar's followers have the Universal Revelation within them (word from the KitabiIqan) but will think in terms of the lights of this universal revelation to hold conversation with them. It is from this spirit that Bahais will cling to the Bahai tradition.

Just as Christians label Bahaullah as a spirit not of the same spirit given by their ministers (see the Gospel), so too will the next Avatar be a completely different spirit, with a human soul clouding people from seeing the Kingdom of God within Them.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:52 pm

"Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it" (Luke) Jesus said this concerning the coming of the Son of Man. It's obvious that if any soul is confronted with the next Message, they should give up their previous life for the new one.

In the same passage the people ask Jesus where the people go when they are "taken". Jesus replies "where there is a dead body...". I don't finish the analogy because I think this signifies that the person accepting the new revelation has died, and so He continues "there the vultures will gather". Meaning that the earth will test this soul, but with the new robe, they are bound to overcome them.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:23 pm

You will know them by their fruits, because they understand that the whole system of the world must change from age to age, including their own. For whenever a prophecy is at hand, the mass of followers believe they have the final way until the end of humanity.

It’s all too obvious the cyclical nature of prophecy stating the Christians ruling the earth, the Muslims ruling the earth, and now Baha’is being foretold to rule the earth, that in a sense these are figurative and those who have held to this vision have forsaken a new message. For the One who spreads the religion has almost always been augmented by the religion that follows it. Christians spread the Torah all over the world. Muslims spread the prophethood of Jesus throughout the middle east, and Baha’is have spread the teachings of Muhammad to every country of the world.

I realize that by writing all these thoughts I have erred from Baha'u'llah's theme "be anxiously concerned with the requirements of the age".

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:59 pm

Just as Jesus said in John that He has a "weightier message". Each Prophet since has come with a more weighty message, all the while with a gift of new life.

Just as Christ said that "anyone who does not come in through the gate is a thief and a robber", so will the next Prophet. So I guess I'm just keeping watch.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:00 am

I believe that the next prophet will signify the Arabic letter "Jim" meaning three, which is a number in the description of the New Jerusalem in Revelation. Also, twelve adds to three.

"Wherewith the Scriptures of the Messengers of old have been adorned." ~Bahaullah

This, the 3rd Trumpet, will come to judge everyone's happiness.

Just as Jesus spirit was the Son, and Baha'u'llah's spirit was the Father, the "Jim" will be the spirit of the Holy Spirit, whom will never be forgiven if blasphemed against, and is the Personage by which Jesus baptized.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:31 am

Shouldst thou, however, gain a true understanding of God in thine heart of hearts, ere He hath manifested Himself, thou wouldst be able to recognize Him, visible and resplendent, when He unveileth Himself before the eyes of all men.
~the Bab

Conceive accordingly the distinction, variation, and unity characteristic of the various Manifestations of holiness, that thou mayest comprehend the allusions made by the Creator of all names and attributes to the mysteries of distinction and unity, and discover the answer to thy question as to why that everlasting Beauty should have, at sundry times, called Himself by different names and titles.…
~Baha'u'llah

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:42 am

Hasan, I was in error, and I wronged your insight and knowledge, for Shoghi Effendi said in God Passes By that Baha'u'llah was: "the Inaugurator of the long-awaited millennium". Perhaps I didn't read God Passes By as closely as I thought I did. This also could've misled me: "The “day whose length shall be a thousand years,” foretold by the Apostle of God in His Book, had terminated." Which is speaking of a verse in the Qur'an of the 1000 years that the Shia called upon the name of the Hidden Imam (260-1260 AH).

Also, check chapter 88 around verse 100 of Doctrine and Covenants who 'Abdu'l-Baha said was inspired by Bahaullah's Spirit (Joseph Smith Jr). It talks of the 7 trumpets. Jim, the 3rd trumpet will be the sacrifice, which will cause the commotion for a season or "a short time", and the 4th trumpet will be within 90 years of Him. This season has the obvious meaning and shouldn't be taken as else. The 4th trumpet is the sign of Elijah, who calls down the fire of heaven from God to take the sacrifice away, and will fill the world with love. The fifth trumpet is the one who sits on the throne, but we do not yet have a time for this even though Bahaullah, the Father knows.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:43 am

Jim will be the only dry land beneath heaven.
Elijah will set signs in the heavens.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:23 pm

The 4th Elijah, which is also the 4th trumpet, will enfuse the world with God's forgiveness. Yet a spirit of paleness will cause conflict within humanity.

Jim will not disturb the rational and educational discourse of the peoples of the world.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:44 am

Jim will appear in the country with the most oppressive religious elite.

The only fire needed is Jim's day will be a single wick, inasmuch as all "elements" of humanity will still be used among the ignorant.

In "Tablet to the Jews" in the book "Baha'i Scripture" published in 1923, Baha'u'llah asserts: "We ye to gaze with pure eyes, ye would behold the New Jerusalem; and were ye to turn with attentive ears, ye would hear the voice of God". However, Shoghi Effendi, in God Passes By, asserts that Baha'u'llah is: "as the Inaugurator of the long-awaited millennium". Therefore, the Book of Revelation is not put in any straightforward sequence, but is rather a blueprint of the Kingdom of God "within us", which Baha'u'llah so gloriously renews. The only hint of truth in all this back and forth, along with the quote that all the prophecies of the Bible are fulfilled which I quoted above, is that the Book of Revelation of St. John has many cycles both within us and in the material world, and that accepting Baha'u'llah is a shortcut to understanding the whole last Book of the Gospel albeit deeper understanding into the future requires study and reflection of all the world's Scriptures.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:38 am

It is clearly evident that Jim will reveal so much truth as to put Jim's believers against themselves within their apprehension of Jim's texts.

However, if anyone doesn't understand and accept the year 1844 AD spoken about by 'Abdu'l-Baha, then all my interpretations lead to perplexity.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:42 am

Jim will be the "One who has commanded Baha to speak", yet Jim is begotten by Baha in the temporal world and in the realm of Names.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:36 am

Jim will throw into commotion the "inner realities of all men". In a "short time" Jim's region will be "magnetized" with Jim's love. Jim, I use the name and not the pronoun because Jim could be a woman, will not rebel against the governments. It will be a priceless privilege to be among Jim's faith spreaders. Jim and the followers will be in "earnest and sustained consultation". In the 90-year period they will "bring under cultivation a large field". The inquirer of that time may be impatient. Jim will give a "fresh decree". The stages of Jim's revelation will be "the heart is endowed with four stages". Jim may meet with vacillation and confusion. Well is it with those who are well-versed in the Scriptures, or understand the unity and are detached from all else.

The 4th trumpet will be the fount of Honor of HASHEM (1st Peter 1:7), just as Muhammad was the praiseworthy, Baha'u'llah was the glorious, the 4th Elijah will be the honorable One. He will come after the 90 years and it will be 2914 AD, exactly 1000 years after 1914, which the Jehovah's Witnesses hold as a special date.

I don't know if it would be idle fancy, because Baha'u'llah said "Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned", that the Honor of Allah will last 1000 years, which would codify Joseph Smith Jr's Doctrine and Covenants. If so, I have no idea what year would be chosen by the Honor of Allah, inasmuch as Baha'u'llah's began in 1852 AD and not in 1260 AH. Therefore, if the Honor of Allah's Revelation lasts about 1000 years, the 5th trumpet's revelation will last 150 years ("five months" cir Bible). Thus, we get a succession of two trumpets within close proximity: the Bab and Baha'u'llah (19 years), Jim and the Honor of God (90 years), and then the 5th and 6th trumpet (150 years).

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:51 am

It will not be good for those whose hearts are assured when the trumpets blast. Those who doubt their own abilities can only arise on those Days. (al-Kafi #14830)
And remember, when ye were few and reckoned feeble in the land, and were in fear lest men should extirpate you, how He gave you refuge, and strengthened you with His help, and made provision of good things for you, that haply ye might be thankful. Qur'an 8:26

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:37 am

Since I live in a town very into Transcendental Meditation, I must say that reading Scriptures and reflecting their Spirit, clinging to the image of Baha'u'llah in silent meditation as the YouTube channel "Bhagavad Gita" emphasized, seems like the Prophets are the incarnation of the deity Kala, as time and its cycles become the prominent sign.

The third trumpet of the Bible, the "great star" which "falls" will be the Universal House of Justice, Jesus has foretold it, just as He foretold the leaders of Christianity would be shut off from the true Watch.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:47 pm

Because satan will be released from his prison in 2824 AD, no one will be able to decipher the kind, and mastery over the solar system will only come from Jim's Revelation.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:56 pm

Because the one who sits on the throne is jasper (1st foundation) and carnelian (6th foundation), the first trumpet was the Bab (3rd Elijah), and so I think the 6th trumpet will also be a return of an Elijah, who despite probably a long Day of Revelation, will finally usher in the "final" 7th trumpet. Of course, by "return" of a former Name is only considered due to the weakness of humanity, as Bahaullah said, otherwise no one would even mention proofs of former Revelations as the Bab asked in the part of the Bayan to be read every 19 days.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:20 pm

Jim will have no blindness except for Revelation which repeats the Scriptures of former times.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:02 pm

The difference in the believers of Jim and those who stay true to Bahaullah, will be so razor thin that only solitude in reflections will be able to decipher Bahaullah's true intentions. Just as the spirit of progressive revelation from the Quran only comes completely clear through opening to a verse of it while guided by the Spirit of Truth.

In fact, Jim will be as the needle's hole in Bahaullah's eye.

I heard one, say "I am Jim", and saw Him Who standeth on the land and waters with a belt that no one in the hevens or earth could match. Ascending above all reaches. This I thought I could not write because I thought He was locked away in the thunders. Then Bahaullah said "still, I am".

The believers in the 4th trumpet will be thought is as so gleaming in the lightnings of God, that they will be thought of as members of hell for their delight. (Reference Tipitaka, see honor and not to seek it)

By 2707 AD, the scholars will already start to reveal Jim's teachings which Jim will make by command, God's Law. Even as the auspicious scholars of Europe uncovered the lights of the Bab and Bahaullah on the 1700's, and inasmuch as two hours before dusk, God's might is revealed. Christians reliant on Jesus' Spirit and not their divines, will continue to be visited by Him, and may reveal Jim's central theology to the church before Jim's unerring Pen places the Seal upon it, as did Emanuel Swedenborg.

All my studious sayings will come to naught at the 3rd trumpet if I do not recognize the true Prophet at that time while I'm in paradise for 2000 years (next world, see al-Kafi). This is an intention of the Cave about the two people with gardens.

My prayer is that Jim will reveal the Attributes of the 24 hours of the day, just as it went unrevealed for the Bahai Fast.

I think I may recognize Jim's followers as runners in the night, with the wick of certitude on their brow, searching for pure souls, with the trumpet ringing on their ears, feeding on the sepulchres, and being confronted by the legions of the dead.

Believers of Jim will be as perfected as the Holy 12 Imams if they can live up to Jim's teachings. The sign they mark their homes with will be as a power unknown. Blessed is the Lover who arises to battle the forces of the heavens and earth which have been placed on the crowns of each believer.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:01 am

Jim's sign, anywhere placed, will mysteriously guide all thoughts of self to be transformed by the personal will. Without it, others transform the thoughts of weak ones while asleep due to the sensitivity of the believer's heart to any need for compassion.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:16 pm

Jim will abrogate a third of Bahaullah's Revelation (Rev 8:10).

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:13 pm

"Then I saw the Lamb.... He had seven horns and seven eyes". (Rev 5:6) Also, according to St. John's Apocalypse the 6th Trumpet will be the "Strength of God" and It's followers will be known as the "power of God" who will be the "thankful". It will have three deniers of the seven horns. Moreover, the "Rider on the White Horse" is cyclical as is the "1000 years". This means, understand: 1852 - 2824 -2914 - 1000 - 150 - 1000 - until the 7th trump. None of the seven trumps will be born like Jesus, free of an earthly father, because all seven eyes must be different.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:35 am

But no one should say the Christ has returned, in Jim, the Honor of God, the Strength of God, or any of the 7 trumpets. They are making presumptions that a man can have two names. It dishonors themselves and it dishonors others. From here, let a Prophet be known by the number of the trumpet they sound.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:19 am

I'm sure that if Jim is allowed freedom, 500,000 verses will flow from God's mouth in preparation for the Honor of God.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:44 pm

The 4th trump will be called "the Day of Wonder" as the Day of Unity will be a bygone age. Much of humanity will work their own work, free from the bondage of a boss.

The 90 and 150 years will not be hours of building temples.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:02 pm

Both the 3rd & 4th trumps will be the sign of the black eye, which is the coalescence of all light. The former Scriptures will bring on much might and power during the 5th trump. Woe to those who do not believe all things and test all their own belief until it is made reality.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:22 am

In Gate of the Heart page 203, the Bab affirms that "the utterance of truth requireth the affirmation of the seven stages of causation at all levels of existence.". This means that every Prophet has had to reveal a "seven", and so will each Prophet after Bahaullah reveal a "seven".

The 3rd Trump will be a sign of Jacob whose "wages" were changed ten times (Genesis). Maybe the "ya" or "i" of Jim in Arabic will be the "ten", which Jim will expound for us. Also, at the 7th trump, another 70 trumps' signs will be revealed. Just as in Genesis 4, Cain suffers vengance seven times, then Lamech seventy-seven times. Therefore, the 7th trump, I will designate the "Ayn" (70 in Abjad). Though the 7th is zayn itself, it's inner meaning is the "Ayn". The essence of this is that the Bible will always be a guide for the future for those who never stop opening its pages.

Also, my prayer to "Jim" is that each of the 120 years of a human's life will be revealed to hold a particular attribute.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:25 am

The Honor of God will serve "Jim", Who will be like a "cloud as small as a man's hand" (1st Kings 18:44). Jim will also have the sign of Job, that "they could not answer him one time out of a thousand" (Job 9:3). The largest "internal war" is prepared for the generation of the 7th trump (Job 38:23; Rev 16:21) and we will no longer "walk proudly". If people "harden their hearts" in those times, it will be very hard. Ayn's believers will be like "gold refined seven times" (Psalm 12:6). If all these notes are accepted by Jim and the other Prophets, they will represent Ecclesiastes 1:10, and all will know that Baha'u'llah, the Father, revealed all things beforehand, and will never leave humanity. For what insight could I possibly have without all the Scriptures? Moreover, the 70 trumpets of Ayn will be "the span of a King's life". In Ayn, "the sunlight will be seven(ty) times brighter".

And let Jeremiah 33:20-21 be a testament to those who do not use allegory to see the future through the eyes of the Scriptures: "This is what the LORD says: 'If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, then my covenant with David my servant - and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me - can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne." For now does the pearly white light of Christ shine in me, a mere personal experience.

Maybe the 40 for meem in Jim will remind us yet again of Ezekiel 4:6 "I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year". Further, these 7 trumps which will live in now, are "seven times hotter than usual". So too, the 2520 years before 1914 AD, humanity had "the mind of an animal". Also, Jim's 90 year period will "have no root". Same goes for the 5th trump of 150 years. And I tell you my personal truth, that Christians will still call themselves by this title, until all 77 trumpets "are forgiven" in their eyes. For the call of Christians to Christ would not have made me know all these things, nor would I had thought them needful to learn. For without them, I wouldn't have looked at each night as if it were my last, a time to meet my Maker and wrap things up finally.

Once I received a call and a woman was doing a survey to see whether I knew a church with a J and H in it. I said no, even though I thought of Jehovah. But now I know that it is only by the witnesses' 1914 AD prophecy and Bahaullah's 1000 lunar years that we know "season" or "chronos" to mean (J)im and (H)onor of God.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:10 am

Jim's Revelation will be centered on removing lethargy from the hearts of the despondent souls who long for God, yet find no rest.

My philosophy, dependent on what Jim may seal, is that every Prophet of God of the seven must "come" in a year adding up to seven in the AD and must be on an even year in AH except for the Bab, the King of Messengers as 1844=8. Thus, 2824 adds up to seven, 2914 adds up to seven, then add a "maiden", or 972, gives 3886 AD equals seven, add 150 lunar years gives 4030 AD, add another "maiden" gives 5002 AD. Thus, all seven trumps now have a date. Of course, to come in an even year AH means that only certain months are "allowed".

As a third prayer, I pray that Jim will reveal 'those Names hidden in the shadow' but Bahaullah could not speak about wonderment - the essence of the sensation which overcame me when I saw the signs that unity became a byword. How true that Bahaullah foretold in the Garden of Wonderment "the wayfarers stray and perish ere they attain their final abode" in that Day with no root though it seemeth "to have neither beginning nor end".

Baha'is not on watch or thinking these notes are just allegory, will be "144 cubits thick".

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:05 am

Jim will reveal ten wisdoms of the dream. Understand, the Tree of Life will have evolved into an animal. Jim's followers will freely give of it. It will peel away from their bodies. Jim, whether male or female, will have a body without defect. The heavens will arise against Jimmers, but their heaven will be highly exalted above all previous ones. Without the 1914 AD prophecy, we may have always been in the dark. "Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them."

At that time the world will no longer be able to be perfected by the Universal House of Justice. Jim will put a watcher over the Baha'i Faith. But none of my notes take the station of Decree until the next Prophet comes, if they should please to accept my arguments. And I am inclined to think no Baha'i or Christian of the Day of Wonder will inflict injury in the name of God upon any Jimmer. Jimmers will be like a fawn of the heart, yet a bull of the mind, yet a wondering bull let loose to it's surroundings, edified for the correct applications of its horns. The one who touches Jimmers' heads will not killed, but resurrected.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:22 am

Jim will proclaim all Bahais' and the rest of mankind's incapacity for recognizing God's true unity, and that only by recognizing Jim's Day of Wonderment, will any soul ever prove they believe in the Power of God. I will call Jimmers "Wonder-Workers" (Rig Veda). These will always find themselves astray in the eyes of the former heavens, astray, confused, and distraught, but inwardly and outwardly are the guides to a living world. Their wisdom is hidden in the recesses of their face, never captured until it is learned by their fellows. With ease they will discern every purpose of God's creation and put to shame the knowledge of the knowing.

Yet, without courtesy and tact, they will never reach their goal. Though walking amongst the archangels, their zeal will be protected by the Name of "Jim". They will remove the spiders that have encased souls. The spirit has challenged me that Jim will be born in an Islamic country. Also, if cycles continue, the Honor of God (4th) will reveal the celestiality of the City of Absolute Nothingness, inasmuch as Buddha's Nirvana lays as a treasure concealed even when beheld.

The very bewilderment of Jim's followers will be a guide to every human and animal. They will pray in all directions, and trod the straight path of justice.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:54 am

Only the followers of Jim will show the afflictions of Baha'u'llah in their temples. A solace will be the flies and mosquitoes, who will anoint them with God's decrees, and have already testified to my notes. Jimmers will seem to "change everyday", but are enthroned in an unreachable heaven to anyone not aware of the trump and its message. The Faith of Jimmers will be strong enough to scale down skyscrapers, slide down high structures, and may even jump off storied towers if it is revealed by God to do so.

The inner Satan of Jim's Day will appear black and will cause people to deject the seeming imbalance of Jim's followers (Rev 6:5). The 5th trump will be the "Essence of Immortality" Who even today testifies to the bewilderment of Jimmers. No amount of running or walking at night insensed with inspiration will allow me to write about the next Day of Wonder, for Bahaullah has said to me "You are forbidden" and "the Last Trumpet blast has sounded (for tonight)". The heart of Baha cannot unseal treasures all at once in this Dispensation, for the energies of a Heart 'transcendent' above the very Revelation to be revealed has not been born on earth yet. And I get my inspiration from a Prophet Who lives now, but will never uncover "his" face nor speak a word out of "normal".

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:29 am

From Quran 18:9, the seven trumps are the seven sleepers of the cave, the seven spirits of God, the seven eyes and the seven horns of the Lamb. Humanity dwells in a hell being veiled from the 70 trumps after the first 7, "a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits" (69:32). After the 70, their will be 700 written by my hand without having present wisdom, yet now delivered to my crown. This 700 will also have a King. The seventy trumps will be 'chosen by Moses'. Does the reader understand now that I am only seeing the signs of Scripture be revealed unendingly through my own philosophy - connecting words of the Scripture together in more beautiful ways set to the rhythm of time?

There will be a dragon of whose number of horns I cannot count. The 4th trump will be the horn of a Mother. The Horn will open the Refrigerator of the City of Nothing. This is a lamb with one horn coming out of it's right temple. This 4th Day will not require tobacco to rend asunder the veils of light. The chosen of the kingdom of that Day will use what is free. The inner dragon will appear deceptively as Death. The followers of the Honor of God will have little power. Even in the time of one Maiden, only few will enter this Refrigerator, yet the majority of the inhabitants of humanity will accept this Cause.

By the 5th trump, all needs of humanity will come from the sun, the wind, and the water, with unlimited uses for those seeking to "traverse time and space". Jimmers will not like to hear these notes of mine either, yet there will be no place to hide from the leprosy of that age. Like a pulse the Animal of Life will reek havoc on the souls of humanity.

The Honor of God will reveal what Bahaullah said if He did, "the dominion of the hearts of men would be laid to waste".

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:34 pm

The 3rd trump will be the time of the "universal divine Intellect". If Jimmers fall into madness, they must abandon all the Prayers and Scriptures, and listen to sound doctors. For the Holy Outpouring is meant to unlock energies which only a sane mind can put to use. This short understanding will be the entire 'horse' of the 90-year period.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:45 am

I saw a King and He had a great servant, He was Lord of books and had a new Book. I am not able to write even a verse of the words which I read, for in His heaven Bahaullah's words did not fulfill His promise. It was new Soma from God. The Revelation was as a wheel overlayed with another wheel offset 30 degrees, yet it's wind offsets the page 180 degrees. And it caused the reader to turn to the Lamb with seven eyes.

In the Day of the 4th trumpet, seal, and bowl, only 1/4th of our flesh will feel the affliction of that Day, and only 1/3 of the heavens will deny the people their place at the banquet table of the Lamb, and the clear light of the world will turn into the fires of disbelief for the Essence of wonderment will be bygone. Moreover, the guiding light of clarity will no longer come in its form today, for everyone will walk without. Anyone found without a library of God by 2914 AD will not enter paradise. During this Maiden humanity will have entered the first gate of the heart.

The Baha'is will deny any Prophet after Baha'u'llah stating: "we don't have to shower until the seven days are over". All their holy land will slip from their feet. It is so important to take both the literal and metaphor together, using the metaphor as the yin and the literal as the yang. Also, with Jim's 24 hours, we will say we were babies at daybreak and elders by midnight. Without a sovereign, scholar, or sage in any Day of Revelation, those who are shut off from the hearing the prophets of Christ would have nowhere to turn. Further, Jimmers will have the duty to spread Jim's message to all the nations in 90 years, which the Baha'is took 125 years to do.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:08 pm

My prayer is that the Honor of God will write a commentary on the "four corners of the earth". Jim will be the only Prophet known as "the shadow" of Bahaullah. Each trump announceth the call to complete self-surrender just as Jesus called His Apostles to only bring their clothing with them. The truly rich in each Day of God hath been for those who draw nigh to the Prophet and the Revelation and do God's Will "the will of the one who sent me". The Honor of God will reveal a perplexity which all mankind has awaited for Eons. Just as the 3rd is Wonderment, the 4th as Nothingness, the 5th the Garden of Immortality, the 6th is the "City of no name or description". Just as the Bible comes to consummation in 5002 AD, so does Bahaullah's Gems. Thus the tests and trials of the 7th trump I cannot diminish.

The Day when the unrevealed Garden of Immortality comes will be when the "business of God" is revealed. Those who have an inner ear to this 5th trumpet will ride in on the "birds of eternity" while the lower heavens will not have the seal of God for 150 years. These exalted angels will need to carry the Message to every nation in 150 years. Yes, woe to those with the burdens they cannot carry.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:06 am

By the time the "unnamed City", each believer will be adamantine and blow the fire of the Burning Bush upon each soul it crosses, if it be consumed in the love for this 6th Prophet. The "filthy" hearts of that Maiden (972 years) will all be centered on human politics: where the dragon, beast, and false prophet have always resided. As we see the population of believers dwindle from age to age (though a youth is telling me I'm wrong): 200,000,000 for the "unnamed City", but only 144,000 for the 7th trump, which "begins and ends in nine". In fact, every trump is blasted in a Bahai Era year adding up to nine, simple math: 1269 AH, 981 BE, 1071 BE, 2043 BE, (150 lunar years is 144 solar years) 2187 BE, 3159 BE.

I third of Jesus' and Bahaullah's light will go dark on the 4th trump. At the 5th trump, the Honor of God's followers "rally forth" as a dragon, harming all except those indued in the Garden of Immortality's Day. The 6th trump will see the inhabitants of Immortality become diseased from the leprosy of disbelief. There highest divines will deny the unnamed City, the Prophet of which will remove ever obstacle from the believers' path. All I can say of the Maiden starting in 4030 AD, is that I live in a world so similar, yet in a dark age compared to its qualities. No clear reminder is given except for the awesome power of faith in that Day.

The tower of Babel will be a sign of the 7th trump in 5002 AD but the City of Hashem will only split in three and the spirit of the dragon will lose it's life. In the 3rd trump, Jimmers will have eyes of martyrs. In each of the remaining five trumps, the believers "will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me". However, since the Tree of Life has become the Animal of life, this spilled blood will be the nourishment of the Animal.

The 5th trump will see the Prophet once again ask the rich believers to sell all they have and spread the message across humanity in 144 solar years.

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Re: Next Manifestation of God

Postby MichaelTChase » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:26 am

Jim will add that the Resurrection is merely being able the live with vigor and dream dreams, abiding in God's Will, inasmuch as Jim's wisdom must awaken those bereft of insight, and not only leaders who carry a Book from God. Jim will say the Bahais have carried out an inspired dream first saw by Isaiah, but inasmuch as outward signs of a Most Great Peace are impossible to complete, for the world always has sin, Jim will be the Most Great Peace Itself, called "the Wonderful".

The Honor of God will reveal a commentary on the "stages of poverty". The walker of the 4th trump will be whittled everywhere just as I journey through the countryside at night, by the wild beasts who make sounds in ignorance. For just as these inward journeys have existed since Christ's resurrection, that the Seven Valleys and Gems have existed since the 1800's AD, yet they did not exist in as full measure as they do in subsequent Ages. Every Age has a focal point of the journey.

Inasmuch as few gather around "the threshold of divine mercy", Prophets will always come to us when 'evil rises above righteousness'. Further, the Mystery of Jim will be revealed between Naw Ruz 2824 AD and December 12th, 2824 AD. Remember that "I come quickly". Well will it be for those who has maintained the Fast before that Naw Ruz, in contemplation of where "Jim" will appear. Moreover, I've found an error in my philosophy of the 7 for Gregorian, the "even" for Islam, and the 9 for Baha: the Honor of God will have to be revealed between March 8th, 2915 and Naw Ruz 2916 AD. Thus, it will be the expiration of a full season (90 days). Well will it be for Jimmers who are in the presence of their most holy souls.

The 5th trump, the Garden of Immortality, will be uncovered in 3886 AD between Naw Ruz and May 16th. Remember, I come quickly. The 6th trump, the Valley we have not yet a sight of in our dark age, will be revealed 4030 AD between December 9th till the end of December. Furthermore, the 7th trump will eclipse this fallen age in the year 5003 AD, February 7th - March 20th. Finally, the Persian calendar always adds up to seven during all the dates I've mentioned today, except for the Bab's declaration adding up to eight.

Despite the public declaration in 2915-2916 AD, the rebirth of God's Messenger, the Honor of God, will occur in 2914 AD. Also, the 7th trump's Messenger will be "reborn" in 5002 AD, even though the public declaration won't be until 5003 AD.

If I took a moment to believe in myself, I follow the line of Siyyid Kazim, maybe "he" won't return until the days of the 6th trump. As in 2nd Peter: "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had it's origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.". Eventually the prophets of Christ who have been resurrected, will know the very hour, nay the minute of the return of the Prophet's, for Bahaullah is guiding humanity for all time. Yes, I'm inspired that the 6th trump will define the attributes of God for all 60 minutes of each of Jim's 24 hours.

While Jim will abound in multiplicity, the eye of the Honor of God will not even exist. Only the Honor's Countenance will remain to cling to. Just as the Christian divines call "dispensationalism" the books of the Gospel written latest are more binding, so too does the Holy Spirit speaks more clearly the more years, months, and days that I study the Scriptures of each Dispensation. I'll call the followers of the Honor, honorettes, they will not be able to abide truly without being raised from any age, young or old, without a measure of gathering together. Perhaps each believer may find a kindred soul or souls with whom they can grow.

The 5th trump will, I pray, give a commentary on the "endlessness of nothingness" which we will see the honorettes exalt in pride over all humanity except, a turn off to those finally able to "leave mommy", understand. I will designate the Prophet of the 5th trump with the 12th letter of the Persian alphabet "Re", pronounced Reh, which I will call this Prophet in all future notes, after the "noon-tide sun". The honorettes will speak and be heard by every heart without fail. I am not "clean" enough to follower this Sun of Honor because I still smoke cigarettes. A third of the Honor's night is without light, as is a third of the day, so it will be best used in prayer for the clear-minded, and study or work to complete the Yajna.

I will designate the 6th trump the 17th Persian letter "Sad", which is spelled sad-alef-dal. Sad is for "seat" in this condition in Gems. By 4030 AD, the "first woe" will be past. From 1844 until 4030, is 2186 Gregorian years adding to eight. The very tail bones of Sad will be soaked in blood. Bahaullah's heart will no longer step into humanity. Sad will set up a new altar of stones in the name of Hashem. One million Bahais cannot equal even one believer in Sad. Therefore, even should there only be two believers in Sad, they will conquer the worlds of humanity even as a samurai subdues the hearts of the ladies of a room.

Know that even during those 972 years, there will be evil in the breasts of humanity, even taking a divine nature. It will be as if the previous five trumps never existed. Only Sad will have the cure for the health during that Maiden. From 4030 onwards, three will signify confusion, only followed by the clarity of the revealed Word of Sad. For truly the Might of Armageddon is being prepared for the year 5003 AD. See Qur'an 25:32. And as the Bab foretold "it will be as any other day". There are signs in creation and signs within us, anyone seeking to prophesy using the blood of an earthly sovereign and not the blood of God's martyrs will know their doom.

Because of the impatient of the 1800's AD and the belief this night, Jesus nor Bahaullah can step into Armageddon. For New Jerusalem only comes after judgement of my soul. I hope the words of this prophecy written this year will not be changed. All my words are the cuts made on a diamond, that heart of Jim Who's belt no one can touch. The belt was brown like leather and it had iron rivets of an odd number. Or it was an iron belt with leather rivets. I first said Jim "stood on the land and sea" but Jim stood in the sea only. Peace we have with our Heavenly Father Bahaullah.


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