First, this hadith, I submit, is prophesying the Baha'is when it talks about those who "do not spread calumnies nor divulge secrets, nor slander." The Baha'is are, among many things, renowned for their honesty, and slander is forbidden in the Kitab-i-Aqdas.
BW, you really need to stop making these assumptions. Muslims do not spread calumnies nor divulge secrets, nor slander. Bahais do not spread calumnies nor divulge secrets, nor slander. But there are Muslims AND Bahais they do divulge secrets, that do spread calumnies, that do slander.
That is your own assumption that Bahais are renowned for this.
Just as slander is forbidden in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, you should know very well it is also forbidden in the Quran.
Indeed, much slander was directed toward the Baha'is (for example, in Iran) by Muslims, and still is—yet the Baha'is do not retaliate and do the same, because God has changed them.
Maybe the Bahais do not do the same in Iran due to fear. Im sure the Christians, Zoroastrians, and the Jews would also not slander the Muslims since they all amount to 2% of the population.
This does not mean there are no Bahais that do not slander, nor does it mean there are no Bahais that are not corrupt. Thinking otherwise is pure ignorance. Everyone is their own individual.
The Baha'is are the ones talked about in the first paragraph (above).
Another assumption. What proof indicates the Bahais are the ones talked about? It could mean anyone. It could mean the Shia, sunni, Ahmadiyya, etc. Or it could simply mean a believer who is inactive (as shown above).
But, anyone can change anything to suit themselves. That is a wide assumption to say its the Bahais. I wonder if the Ahmadiyya use the same argument?
There is a Hadith by Imam Sadiq (a.s) where he says: "If possible lead such a life that people do not recognize you." This is so because fame is an avoidable evil and salvation lies in remaining unknown. So it is obvious what is meant by:
There would be a time wherein only a sleeping (inactive) believer would be safe (such that) if he is present he is not recognised but if he is absent he is not sought after. These are the lamps of guidance and banners of night journeys. They do not spread calumnies nor divulge secrets, nor slander. They are those for whom Allah would open the doors of His mercy and keeps off from them the hardships of His chastisement. What will happen in the future to Islam according to Imam Ali? "Islam would be capsized as a pot is capsized with all its contents." Imam Ali is telling us what is already obvious to the unbiased reader of the holy Qur'an, because Muslims (as with anyone) are no better than their forefathers with regards to repeating the mistake of not recognizing and rejecting God's Apostle.
Another assumption. You have again interpreted this to suit yourelf. What makes you believe Imam Ali(a.s) is telling us that "Muslims (as with anyone) are no better than their forefathers with regards to repeating the mistake of not recognizing and rejecting God's Apostle."
This is an assumption.
I could also make an assumption. I could say that Imam Ali(a.s) meant that Islam will become capsized, just as it is today. Islam being portrayed in a bad image. The Wahabis are "capsizing" Islam while the ones who avoid fame (the Shia) are the ones who are the inactive believers. The ones who Allah(swt) will "open the doors of His mercy and keeps off from them the hardships of His chastisement."
Anyone can make a claim to suit themselves.
Again, all one has to do is read the Qur'an and not read everything so literally,
Just like you are referring to this Hadith to make a claim, you should also use the Hadith which explains the Quran. We dont choose which verses in the Quran to make literal. The Prophet Muhammad(a.s) and the Ahlulbayt(a.s) have already explained it to us.
Imam Ali, echoing what is already said in the holy Qur'an, asserts that God has not made is easy for Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) to recognize His Manifestation: "He has not spared you from being put on trial."
Yes, he has not spared us from being put on trial. I agree on that statement because it is obvious. However, where you combine "it is not easy for anyone to recognise the Manifestation" from this statement is beyond me. Again, an assumption. And once again, i can make my own assumption.
"He has not spared you from being put on trial." Meaning that Islam being displayed as a "terrorist" religion is a test for the Muslims. Allah(swt) is testing the Muslims even when Islam is being "capsized", that is, being portrayed as evil, whether their faith will continue to be strong. Whether they will continue to have faith in God no matter how bad the Wahabis are destroying the image of Islam.
I have produced in other posts hadith from both Shi'a and Sunni sources showing with absolute clarity that there will indeed be another Revelation, with it God's Manifestation and the Laws He reveals.
Once again, an assumption. Your assuming that you have showed source with absolute clarity, yet if we analyse your sources, it proves otherwise.
1. You have provided Sunni sources which both the Shia and the Bahais obviously dismiss due to its falsehood.
Hadith dismissed.2. You have provided a so called Shia sourced named "Avalim" which no Muslim, whether Shia or Sunni, have heard about it. It just so happens that this Hadith can only be located on Bahai websites.
Hadith dismissed.
3. You provide your own interpretation of the above Hadith, claiming it talks about the Bahais and a coming Manifestation. An assumption. I have also made assumptions on the meaning of the Hadith. Nowhere does it mention about a coming Manifestation, another revelation, or other laws. Therefore,
Hadith dismissed.From memory and viewing other posts, there is no Authentic Hadith which you have provided which indicates anything you have claimed. So by stating "with absolute clarity", is an assumption.
All you are indicating is that Bahais pick and choose certain Hadith to use. If you accept this Hadith, why dont you accept other Hadith from the Prophet Muhammad(a.s)? Are only
some Hadith used whenever it may suit you, and others are thrown out that contradict you? This is where its confusing and illogical. Either use all the Authentic Shia Hadith or not any.
Shia do not use part of Sunni Hadith and reject other pages from the same one.
As i said, if you dont accept all the Authentic Shia Hadith, therefore you must reject all of them. Not pick and choose as you wish.
I hope the Muslim friends visiting this forum might reflect on their own hadith, and on the stories from the Qur'an, where God always tests His servants and never stops testing them!
Yes, Muslims are aware that Allah(swt) always tests His Servants. And the Muslims are also aware that the Hadith does not mention of a coming Manifestation, nor does it indicate anywhere in reference to Bahais. Allah(swt) tests us all, including Bahais, Ahmadiyya, etc
God does not make it easy; if He is offering us eternal happiness, it's going to take some work on our part—much as we'd like to think that we are right and don't need to change.
True. Allah(swt) does not make it easy.
Just as you mention that "we'd like to think that we are right and dont need to change", Allah(swt) also tests His Servants where they think they need to change when they were right.
It goes both ways. Only Allah(swt) knows.
Regards
Abbas