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Born Again ?

Postby Guest » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:00 pm

Jesus taught one must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven,
this may not be the very exact words but the message is clear enough.
I'm sure Baha'u'llah touched on this but I can not find the text.

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Postby brettz9 » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:16 am

There are a number that turn up from a search of the site: born again

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Re: Born Again ?

Postby Guest » Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:56 pm

Guest wrote:Jesus taught one must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven,
this may not be the very exact words but the message is clear enough.
I'm sure Baha'u'llah touched on this but I can not find the text.

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born again

Postby Guest » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:02 pm

looked up the web sites, could not find what I was looking for.
It seems from the teachings of Jesus that eternal life is not
automatic, a condition must first be met. Thus it seemed again
to me that perhaps eternal life is not automatic for Bahai's ? and
the conditions I read some time ago caused me to remember
something in the writings of Baha'u'llah to that effect.
What say you?

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rebirth, new birth, emergence

Postby majnun » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:10 am

In our system, the birth, or emergence,
occurs when a person install or explore
rather, the 8th or 9th valley. This is
an ongoin process, that will continue
while the candidate moves on in the
ocean of bahai scriptures.

MJ

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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:40 pm

I appreciate your reply and find myself agreeing with you.
I would like to read a little more of the 8th and 9th Valley
on this question from you if you wish to explain further.
much regards
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Postby Guest » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:26 am

oh, i was just making a little comparison
with this portion of the four valleys and
the story in chapter 18 of the Quran.
I think that before arriving to that new
state of mind, and decide to "symbolically"
get out of this "cavern", one has too explore
and the path of previous valleys, its logical.

The text of the valleys, either printed, or here on this
website, in english is
from DrKahn and his daughter Marzie.
If a person reads it between the lines,
maybe it can trigger some agreable changes
into that person.

A person that goes trough each of theese
steps wil gradually feel the changes inside,
but the first time i read those valleys, i understood
very little of it. It takes a "digestion" time to appreciate.

To resume this "emergence", I would say it is like
if we take our magnetic head away from the
rolling tapes inside, like a volontary disconnection
from our past, like a needle we put out of contact
with the record. Maybe that is why we talk less
and less. But this agreable new way will be tasted
only if the previous steps are realized by each
candidate. If you start this, give us some feedback.

Majnun

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Postby Guest » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:53 pm

Thank you majnun for taking time to further explain.
If I understand it correctly the beginning for the birth
or emergence after it is started it continues as an
ongoing process through the ocean of Baha'i scriptures.
Thus I assume then the answer to my question eternal
life is not an automatic process until the seeker himself
or herself search and apply the Bahai scriptures as they
progress on their journey towards God which continues
until the candidate leaves their earthly body.
Much regards

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a simple path

Postby majnun » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:40 am

Maybe.

There are certainely other steps
to enjoy, I mean, the spiritual evolution
does not stop after the valleys, however
wonderfull it may feel to be liberated of
the content of our past, including the extreme
tip of our subconcious mind, since many
other inner regions will be explored in the writings of
Baha'u'llah.

The H-Words constitute a sort of face to
face dialog with the reciter, inviting him
to take a position, after the valleys clean-up
work has been partially put in place.

The following scriptures, like Gems, re-explain
the valleys for the arabic public, and also induce
a serious examination of our collective past, our
religious past. This examination of this intimate zone will
continue in the Iquan, while the messenger answers
to the uncle of the Bab. It is our collective subconcious
that is under examination here, how we behaved collectively,
since humans are on the Earth.

I cannot trace a perfect track here, but from what
I read (recite), the upcoming writings after this point (1863)
invites me to teach prudently and socialize. I mean that
our attention is gradually invited to take a look outside,
even up to the behavior of some kings, before a set
of new rules (akdas) is put in place.

Could we say we examine our external behavior here, the
way we deal with others, up to 1867, while we will be shown
how the messenger will deal via mailed messages,
with important personages ?

Suggestions will then come, for us to live a better life, in
a book that says it openly: this is not just a set of rules (akdas).

The rest of the "path" could be better sommarised by specialists who knows more than me.

Majnun.

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with the Beatles

Postby majnun » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:24 am

Many people enjoyed the Beatles
music for many years. Many who were
born after their "manifestation" did also
listen to their "sounds" and lived under
their "spiritual" influence, dressed like them,
and wear longer hair, even some touched dope
like they did, and went on a spiritual journey.

In fact this was an imitation, a sort of idolatry,
an external show to show our facade was
beatle-like. Some also collected their photographs.

Another sort of people was interested also
in the history of the Fab Four, when and where it
did start, where they travelled, , from the "Cavern" (surah 18, ah ah ah)
to Germany, Philippines, America, Canada, India (Maharishi stuff)
and so on.

Some did both, they learned their history and listened to
their melodies. Whatever happened in history, what remains
inside people is the songs they wrote.

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Bahai's have a Fab Four too.
Our "Fab Four" also have an interesting history,
and their spiritual influence over people of the world is
as profound or more, than the Beatles, for those
who know. Even tho some collect the photographs
of them (Bab, Baha, A.A and Shawqi),
the spiritual voyage here is not to imitate them
externally, but to catch their subtil ways of thinking.

History and events surrounding the lives of
the messengers has a certain importance for us
to know, to see the places they were living in,
to see their photographs, their wives and kids,
where they traveled, from Shiraz to Nûr,
to Baghdad up to Akka, to Europe and America, Germany,
New-Zealand, and onto the rest of the world. Some appreciate
learning this historical path.

Some do both, they learn their history and listen to
their melodies. Whatever happened in history, what remains
inside people is the songs they wrote.


Majnun.

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Postby Guest » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:35 pm

Many thanks for taking time to explain and it is much appreciate.
:D

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Postby majnun » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:38 pm

no problemo


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